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Report: Reid Short on Votes for 'Filibuster Reform'

Rebel 66 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 4:49 PM
What this nation needs is a way to prevent the Senate from changing any rule under which they operate, no matter who is in charge - period.
RedRum Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 6:21 PM
It has been that way for over 230 years. Now, we have a power-hungry, hyper-partisan Majority Leader (dirty liar Harry Reid), and an equally partisan and despicable majority party (Dems) openly second-guessing the Founding Fathers and their unparralled wisdom in crafting the seperation of powers and the minority protection provisions under which the Senate has operated for since the late 1700s. Any modern politician trying to undo the work of Jefferson, Adams, Franklin & Hamilton should be opposed and shamed into leaving.
rk58 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 5:43 PM
Nope.. New ideas should be allowed.. BUT.. rule changes should require a super-majority.. The founding fathers put the system together to intentionally allow change.. but only through conscious and slow deliberation. Go read the Federalist Papers and some American history.
David238 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 5:07 PM
I don't think the filibuster should be allowed. It just serves as an end run around the Constitution, which states that bills pass on a 50-50 vote with a tie going to the VP. Having a pre-vote/"Senate Rule" that must get a super-majority before a bill can be voted on is nuts. I supported the nuclear option when my side was in power, and I still support that position. Just because my side isn't in the majority doesn't change things. The gang of 7 had their heads in their butts when they decided the Senate didn't need to follow the Constitution.
rk58 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 5:50 PM
The Filibuster is a tactic that is used to slow things down (in keeping with the founding fathers vision).. The existence of it forces both sides to talk and figure a common ground, or nothing gets done. That is GOOD, not BAD. If sides are not in agreement, and nothing happens, then the electorate must decide who is good and who is not. That is totally in keeping with the vision of the founding fathers. Everything in the constitution is about slow deliberation, not fast action. EVERYTHING If you don't understand that, and the majority doesn't, then the union of the states is truly lost.

An important update to this report from last week -- it appears that Harry Reid is struggling to cobble together the requisite 51 votes to nuke long-standing minority prerogatives in the Senate:

Democrats don’t have the 51 votes they need in the Senate to change filibuster rules that could make it harder for the GOP minority to wield power in the upper chamber. Lawmakers leading the charge acknowledge they remain short, but express optimism they’ll hit their goal. “I haven’t counted 51 just yet, but we’re working,” said Sen. Tom Udall (D-N.M.), a leading...