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Which Is Melting Faster: America's Position in Middle East or MSM's Position in America?

RAY USA Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 1:18 PM
flaming: The difference between 2001 and 2012 is that we have had 11 years of experience to better know what we are dealing with and how the Muslim radicals place so much importance on the symbolism of dates such as 9/11. Despite warnings, Obama and the State Department were caught with their pants down and 4 Americans were murdered as a result.
ACinNC Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 3:06 PM
His words telegraphed weakness. His inactions demonstrated it. If Britain & France would have forced Germany's military back out of the Rhineland when the Nazi's re-militarized it in 1936 (in violation of the Versailles Treaty, the carnage of WWII might have been avoided. Especially since in 1936, Britain & France had overwhelming military superiority over Germany. Hitler would have been forced to back down, instead of being emboldened to proceed with his military build-up and plans for conquest. Evil people & crazed fanatics don't respect words of appeasement. They respect strength. I don't think you, or BHO, understand that.

Thanks again for calling me a coward. Nice ad hominem attack, instead of addressing my arguments.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 2:44 PM
ACinNC:
"That statement telegraphed weakness....The perception of weakness..."

I guess this will always be a fundamental differences between Liberals and Conservatives. Thank God I'm a liberal, I hope I never, ever, become more concerned with 'perceptions' than with matters of right and wrong, true and false.

Do you serious believe that if only Neville Chamberlain had denounced Hitler, WWII would have been averted?
ACinNC Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 2:00 PM
LOL.......Cowardice? No, words matter. That statement telegraphed weakness to the people in the Maghrib. The perception of weakness emboldens evil & crazy people like terrorists & Islamofascists, it does not appease them. Millions died as a result of Neville Chamberlain taking that weak tact, which only emboldened Hitler. My father almost died in a POW camp in Germany, so I don't think, so I think the results of that approach matters.

But thanks for calling me a coward. I proudly served in the military from 1987-93, and was in the Persian Gulf the first go-round.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 1:49 PM
ACinNC:
"That embassy statement was so feckless & impotent it was practically NECESSARY for someone to step up to the plate..."

This is the worst kind of cowardice masquerading as bravado. I for one stand behind every word of that statement, and if I didn't I wouldn't sit at my nice safe secure keyboard and monitor in the USA and take potshots at the people on the front lines.

"That movie was used as an excuse for a planned attack."

No one disputes that, but the outrage all over the Muslim Middle East did nit originate as a terrorist plot. They are no doubt gleefully fanning the flames, but it started at the grassroots.
ACinNC Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 1:40 PM
4) Besides, no matter how egregious & insulting that movie trailer was, it was no excuse for what the mobs in Libya & Egypt did.
ACinNC Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 1:39 PM
@Flaming:

1) Try reading all the news, not just a liberal site that's shilling for Obama. That movie was used as an excuse for a planned attack. And are you so naive (as so many Liberals are), to believe that 9/11/12 was a coincidental date because of a movie trailer?

2) Obama used that same tactic of criticizing Bush about Americans being killed while he as campaigning.

3) That embassy statement was so feckless & impotent it was practically NECESSARY for someone to step up to the plate and announce that not all Americans are pansies, apologizing as a country for what some idiot private citizen did. The embassy stmt should have criticized the Libyan mod violence, NOT an American private citizen.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Sep 14, 2012 1:26 PM
This may well be a valid criticism to advance in the coming days and weeks, though I can't help noticing that in the 9/11/2002 - 9/11/2011 we did *not* have a rash of embassy attacks each year, and I attribute this latest bunch to the idiot movie trailer at least as much as the date.

But criticising the Cairo embassy statement in the very midst of the unfolding crisis is the worst kind of political opportunism.

If an American consulate had been attacked and four Americans including the ambassador slaughtered on George W. Bush's watch --on 9/11, no less-- the outrage broadcast over the nation's elite media would have been intense and round-the-clock.


Had George W. Bush then responded to those events by jetting to Vegas for a fundraiser and campaign rally marked by a rote and emotion-less nod towards the victims and a callous transition to the difficulty of campaign life for political volunteers, well, the hysteria that would have followed would have melted wires.


Because Barack Obama is the MSM's...