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ObamaCare Will Cost Your Family at Least $20,000

rauljg69 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:12 AM
Think about how much you pay for health insurance currently. Well what is it? Its probably already that much. Employer provided insurance premiums average 16,000 as it is and employers pick up 11,000 on average.
traitorbill Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 10:07 AM
The only thing that will get their attention now is violence. Call it a constitutional intervention for government addiction.
D G Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 10:00 AM
Health insurance is not considered to be taxable compensation. So, any comparison must be made after tax.
buckeye8 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:39 AM
Really? $16,000/yr? I don't know who you know who paid that already, no one I know has paid much more than $300/month and that doesn't come close to $20,000.

Last time I was using a cobra plan, it was $600/month. That comes to $7200. That is nowhere near the amount Obamacare is going to charge, and God help anyone who needs cobra under Obamacare (if there is such a thing then). It would probably be closer to $1200/month, and that still isn't close to $20,000.

It really doesn't matter anyway, does it? Because you and I both know that instead of paying the $20,000, since Obamacare gives everyone the wonderful option of paying a tiny tax of about $1250, anyone with any sense will pay the $1250, and pay for their own medical care.
traitorbill Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 10:15 AM
Obama: "My individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country. Unfortunately, I think that recognition requires that we make sacrifices and this country has not always been willing to make the sacrifices to bring about a new day and a new age." So, what's the matter with you?! Don't you want to share the sacrifice for Obama's salvation?!
Stan306 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:39 AM
Reasonable question ... In my specific case:
Two years ago I was kicking in about $3,000 and my employer was about matching it with another $3,000 - $6,000 total.
Since Obamacare became a reality ... This year I will kick in about $5,000 and my employer will put in almost $6,000 (note that I had to accept a $3,000 deductible to keep the costs down this far) for $11,000 total.
The insurance company is predicting that in 2014 my share will be about $7,000 and my employer will pay somewhere between $8,000 and $10,000 - $18,000 total (and I will still have a $3,000 deductible ... or more..)
So .. yes the costs are already at about $20k but it's Obamacare that put us there already.
traitorbill Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 10:11 AM
Somebody has to pay for the healthcare for 12 million illegal aliens.
Col Bat Guano Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:32 AM
So what's another 4 grand among bled out taxpayers struggling to make it in this economy?
rauljg69 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:41 AM
Well I assume the group market is discounted. Im sure the premium for the non-group market those not getting insurance through in employer is higher then 16,000 and Im sure pretty close to the 20,000. THat's why Im curious for someone to chime and and state what they are playing for a family plan t day thats not from an employer. Get all the facts.
traitorbill Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 9:56 AM
The government exists to serve the people. In Obamaville, the government exists to serve parasites.

Ok. First. Think about how much you pay for health insurance currently. Now, think about how much you are going to have to pay under the new ObamaCare laws. Well according to a new IRS regulation released, they assume the average family will pay a minimum of $20,000 for their health care plans.

Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate...