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Last Hurrah of Nixon's 'New Majority'?

Randy3153 Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 2:54 PM
For all those that want to ditch Romney for a new party. Good luck finding a country in 2016 to run your new candidate.
Paulus Textor Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 3:33 PM
Disagree. For MOST voters in MOST states, you may as well vote your conscience, and get some real impetus behind a 3rd party, right now. Here's why:

Only about 10 states are "battleground" states. In the other 40, either Romney or Obama is a lock. So, why not vote your conscience, if you live in one of those 40 states? For example, if you live in California, which Obama is projected to win by over twenty points, why waste your vote by casting it for Romney? If you really want to get a third party going, vote for Gary Johnson, and have him get maybe ten or fifteen percent of the vote, rather than one or two.

Likewise, if you live in Utah, where Romney leads by thirty points, why not vote for Gary Johnson?
Paulus Textor Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 3:37 PM
If the Libertarian (or other third party) can get some impetus from a good showing, then there is at least a chance, in 2016, of that party coming in and making the changes that need to be made.

So, in purely practical terms, if you want to get a third party going, the time is now. In most states, you are wasting your vote if you vote for either major party candidate.

(I'm stipulating, for the sake of argument, that there is a difference between Obama and Romney.)
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 3:51 PM
A third party never moves one liberal Democrat idealogue; it only splits and weakens the already enfeebled conservative Republican party as in the case of Ross Perot. There was zero benefit and much tragedy in the defeat of the Reagan legacy.
Corbett_ Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 4:26 PM
Phillup: Do you actually think that GHWB had ANYTHING to do with Reagan and is policies? And do you really think that Perot caused him to lose the election?

And can't you grasp what Paulus is saying? If Romney is going to lose your state anyway (or win it), this is the perfect time to tell the GOP that you will not tolerate another socialist like Romney as a candidate.
Corbett_ Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 4:29 PM
Paulus: As I understand it, there are only seven states that are in play: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire and Virginia.

Anyone in any other state would be an absolute fool to vote for a candidate they did not really support just because they are afraid Obama will be re-elected.
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 4:48 PM
If Obama wins this election, all the other idealogical points you make are moot!
You can stand on principle but, like William F. Buckley advised, elect the most conservative Republican that can win. You are not very effective in your richeous indignation, standing outside the window looking at them enjoying their banquet while you and your family freeze and starve.

That is like comming out SECOND in a Duel!
Corbett_ Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 5:16 PM
Phillup:

There ARE no conservative Republicans in the race. So your argument fails from the outset. No matter which of these socialists win, our country will be the same. And people like you don't have wit enough to see that if your vote cannot possibly change the outcome in your state, you should vote for the most conservative candidate on the ballot -- no matter which party he belongs to. That will help make it possible to have a truly conservative Republican on the ballot next election.
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 5:24 PM
Corbet, if Obama wins are you 100% sure there will even be a next election?

The welfare of the people has always been the alibi of tyrants!
Michael in the P/R of ATL Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 5:56 PM
GA is safe for Romney, so I'll likely vote 3rd party. As mentioned above, if the GOP wants to continue to nominate establishment candidates, we must support our constitutional candidates where it is safe to do so.
Conservative abroad Wrote: Aug 28, 2012 9:34 PM
I love your reasoning Paulus and agree wholeheartedly that it would send a message to get a good third party showing in the safe States. I personally will have to vote for Romney since Wisconsin is becoming a swing State (if they actually count military absentee ballots), but hope a lot of people vote thier hearts in the other States.

Looking back all the way to America's Civil War, there have been three dominant presidential coalitions.

The first was Abraham Lincoln's. With his war to restore the Union and his martyrdom, Lincoln inaugurated an era of Republican dominance that lasted more than seven decades and saw only two Democratic presidents: Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson.

The second coalition was FDR's, where he and his vice president Harry Truman won five consecutive presidential elections. Only Gen. Eisenhower could break that streak.

The third was Richard Nixon's New Majority, cobbled together after his narrow 1968 victory, where he annexed the...