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Up from Homophobia

Rachel100 Wrote: Dec 07, 2010 2:01 PM
Screaming "bigot!" and other ad hominem attacks do not a logical argument make. Please explain how not wanting to share a shower, undress or sleep in the same berth with someone who considers your gender sexually attractive is "bigoted"?
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Up from Homophobia

Rachel100 Wrote: Dec 05, 2010 2:40 PM
So anyone who doesn't want to share a shower or sleeping quarters with a co-worker who finds their gender sexually attractive is a "homophobe"? Way to hand the discussion over to the Thought Police, Steve. You let them define the terms of the debate so they can intimidate and smear anyone who doesn’t accept their false moral premise. If modesty is bigotry, what does that make men and women who don’t want to shower or share a berth with a member of the opposite sex? Do they need to be “re-educated” out of their modesty, too? If we don’t force men and women to be seen naked or sleep in close quarters with their opposite sex service members, why does it make sense to force them to be seen naked or sleep in the same berth with gay...
You're ingnoring a HUGE factor in America maternity care: most women see obstetricians instead of midwives, and are therefore subjected to a wide range of unnecessary intervetions when it comes to labor and delivery.

In some hospitals, up to 90% of women are given pitocin to induce or speed up their labors, leading to fetal distress, higher C-section rates, unintended pretmaturity, and a host of other complications.

European countries don't have better outcomes because they have socialzed medicine. They have better outcomes because midwives attend the majority of the births, and use far fewer unnecessary interventions in the natural process.

Anyone concerned about America's infant mortality rates needs to see...
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