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Man Who Shot Up Family Research Council: I Wanted to Kill as Many as Possible and Smear Chick-fil-A in Their Faces

psydoc Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 6:52 PM
EndTheSecond Wrote: "That's not the case -- I listen to hundreds of hours of conservative talk radio and read comments here. The "individual liberty" argument when used for marriage is not one from a conservative I have heard often. So, I am glad! " The whole idea of Conservatism is to conserve the original Liberal principle on which this country was founded, those being (the short list), individual freedom, personal responsibility, and free markets. I read such posts as, "if you don't believe in freedom, you are a subject", and other such posts. We Conservatives must understand that we have no ethical/moral/practical right to make such statements and then try to subject people to our belief systems.
EndTheSecond Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:05 PM
How you translate those principles into policy is the key. I think I would allow more government action to prevent certain suffering so long as it does not create more suffering (I agree for example that welfare can make people too dependent on the State).




psydoc Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:10 PM
I would say that, in its current form, welfare does make people dependent; however, I have no problem with my tax dollars going to help people who genuinely need help. I think the help needs to have some direction and meaning, though. Help people get better. Help people become productive citizens, not wards of the state.

I appreciate your discussion, without any of the normal name calling I often receive. As you may guess, I get that from both sides. sheesh. *smile*
InAmericaSince1627 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:11 PM
Actualy, I thought the "Framers", if you will, did a very good job of giving the new country a document, with supporting commentary, that allows people of widely different views and beliefs to live and work together in peace.
Many feel it is a "Living Document" but it truely is NOT. It is a document that alows us to "Live" and prosper with individual freedom, personal responsibility, and free markets.
Cambermeister Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:13 PM
"I have no problem with my tax dollars going to help people who genuinely need help. I think the help needs to have some direction and meaning, though. Help people get better. Help people become productive citizens, not wards of the state"

Well put Psydoc.

EndTheSecond Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:16 PM
You're welcome, and ditto! I don't think you are typical of TH posters. I am a moderate so tend to concentrate on thinking of solutions to problems in terms of the right "mix." Seems like you might be the same.
psydoc Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:32 PM
I don't think of myself as a moderate, in fact, my position is that, as InAmerica posted, the Framers provided us with a good document (I would say an great, insightful, document) to direct us when it comes to just about everything. At the same time, as our society grows, new challenges are presented. If the free markets can't find a solution, then grubrmnt may have to consider guiding laws; however, grubrmnt should be extremely resistant to passing blanket laws that are probably best dealt with at a state level.

I hope that was not too convoluted.
psydoc Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 7:32 PM

Yesterday 28-year-old Floyd Lee Corkins II, the man who attempted to kill members of the conservative Family Research Council in Washington D.C. in August 2012, plead guilty to three charges including committing an act of terrorism.

The question since August has been: Why did Corkins choose FRC as his target? After all, he was a gay activist who bizarrely walked into the FRC offices with a Chik-fil-A bag in one hand and a gun in the other before he opened fire, shooting a security guard who luckily survived his injuries.

According to an...