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How Gays and Women Get In Their Own Way

ppotts Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 12:24 PM
Guess people will have to quit sending their boys into scouting. It will be know as the Gay scouts of America. Everybody is just dying to go on a camping trip with a bunch of girlie boys. this is disgusting. Obama needs to keep his nose out of this. If gays want a scouting group let them establish one more to their needs and interests. The boys scouts is not their bent.
ericynot Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 3:21 PM
DCM, never rely solely on your personal experiences for information. I became VERY interested in girls before I reached puberty. I was never molested. I was the oldest child, so I certainly didn't pick up that interest from a sibling. And I never acted inappropriately out of those feelings. But they were quite intense and very real. Let's just say I developed a far greater interest in taking baths ...
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 2:53 PM
I definitely have some information that goes beyond opinion, but I wouldn't want to be a "respected researcher" in this age where that title is so often bestowed on people who merely give pseudo-scientific support to false but popular beliefs.
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 2:48 PM
Sorry DCM, your "informed" opinion is still just an opinion. I can readily speculate myself that if you really had any information that went beyond opinion, you would be a widely sought after and highly respected researcher of some sort. But you do not have any such information and you are not a respected researcher.
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 2:45 PM
"CHildren are indeed sexual beings before puberty."

Depends on what you mean by "sexual," but having been a child myself who didn't have sexuality pushed on them, I would have to disagree with what you probably mean. (I don't like to make assumptions where I have no actual knowledge, but your statement makes me wonder what happened in *your* childhood.)
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:30 PM
DCM, you and Eddie are operating on a fundamentally inaccurate foundation. CHildren are indeed sexual beings before puberty.
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:28 PM
"your claim is just a personal opinion" - It ain't "just" an opinion when it's informed.

"While people may be born straight, it is not 'obvious'." - It is very obvious to those who've actually bothered to learn about homosexuality and what kinds of things lead to it, instead of just following popular conventional wisdom.
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:23 PM
It is not "clearly" anything, and thus your claim is just a personal opinion. Regardless, even if you claim were accurate, the term would still be a valid description.

While people may be born straight, it is not "obvious".
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:16 PM
"most human beings have little concern with sexuality prior to puberty unless other human beings somehow infect sexuality in to their lives."

Bingo. Which is why people who claim they "knew" they were "gay" as little kids should be treated with great skepticism.
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:10 PM
"The only accurate statement is that we do not know to what degree homosexuality is inborn."
Since it's clearly not 100% or anywhere near that, "sexual orientation" is a bogus term.

"I have been ridiculously straight all my life. No one taught me to be that way"
Of course not. The fact that people are obviously born straight doesn't mean everyone not straight was born that way. It means everyone is born straight but various things (not your "desert island" scenario, though) can misdirect certain people.
eddie again Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:05 PM
i know of more than one person who says they are homosexual who were sexually assaulted as a teenager by a male.

most human beings have little concern with sexuality prior to puberty unless other human beings somehow infect sexuality in to their lives.
eddie again Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:04 PM
since sexual orientation has no basis in science, it seems acceptable to label it bodus.
eddie again Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 1:01 PM
what is your definition of dangerous? do you mean physically threatening?

if so, you should use those words because the word dangerous is not limited to meaning physically threatening. people can be dangerous because they influence others to engage in self-damaging behaviors, societally damaging behaviors and spiritually damaging behaviors.

based on that understanding there are tens of millions of americans who find homosexuals who insist on publicizing their sexual desires to be "dangerous".
eddie again Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 12:51 PM
however, we are certain that only the mentally ill are compelled to engage in any sexual activity.

in addtion, we are certain there is no objective way in which to determine what the nature of a human beings sexual attraction(s) might be.
ericynot Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 12:50 PM
DCM, that is ludicrous. I have been ridiculously straight all my life (or at least since I became aware of sexuality in 4th grade). No one taught me to be that way and if you put me on a desert island for a year with nothing but gay men, I'd still be straight. That's nothing to be either proud of or ashamed of -- it's just the way I was born.

Did you come by your sexual preference in some other way than I did?
Jack2894 Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 12:45 PM
Sorry DCM, but you have lost the difference between your personal opinion and the factual universe. The only accurate statement is that we do not know to what degree homosexuality is inborn.
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 12:37 PM
"They're not dangerous (any more so than the straight people I've known)"
Their behavior is often dangerous to themselves.

"their sexual orientation"
No such thing. "Sexual orientation" is a bogus term invented as part of the "born that way & can't change" mythology.
ericynot Wrote: Feb 04, 2013 12:33 PM
potts, I happen to be a completely straight Eagle Scout, and I think this whole controversy is nuts. We had a couple of Scouts in Dallas' Troop 100 when I was there 50 years ago who were probably gay. And no one cared.

We will all be around gay men and women in school and/or the workplace for our entire lives, so why not learn as kids how to deal with people who aren't exactly like us? They're not dangerous (any more so than the straight people I've known) and their sexual orientation is not contagious. So why worry so much about it?

Gays can be leaders. Women can be leaders. Without realizing it, I think gays and women inadvertently work against their own objective of equality when they force private organizations to support gay and female leaders.

As I wrote here, gays and women are already equal before the Constitution, which defines us by our humanity, not by our sexuality, and is silent on most personal matters like marriage. Furthermore, the more the federal government defines our rights, the less free, equal and human we all become.

Here is what generally happens when minority groups confuse social acceptance with equality...

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