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The GOP -- Not a Club For Christians

pkarandi Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 2:46 PM
Well put! And as far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with that!
Bruce2397 Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 4:17 PM
Social conventions don't depress me---you're poor at sensing the obvious. If someone wants to shake hands instead of hug, no problem. If someone wants to switch their knife and fork after cutting their food to eat it, no problem. If someone wants to invite me to dinner via e-mail instead of by phone, no problem. But if someone wants to put me on the dais to give a talk and then they make me pray with them in public, to their God, that's out of bounds.
dahni Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 4:04 PM
Seems social conventions depress you...If you object to conforming to anyone else's social conventions, then you can choose to not participate. It's better than being continually depressed. Unless, for you, that is your 'feel good' position.
Bruce2397 Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 3:24 PM
No one takes away your right to pray, anytime, anywhere. What we don't want is that you're going to organize the entire gathering to participate in your prayer, and if we don't, then you've just taken a big public roll call of "Who's opposed to my God?" and made me declare.

It's the need--the unexplained, odd need--to pray out loud, in public, with others having to join in or wait for you, that's so depressing...
Patriot155 Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 3:13 PM
Oh, please!!!
No one is forcing Mr. Goldberg to pray, he does not have to do didley if he does not want to. No one even forces anyone to pray in schools or even say the pledge of allegiance and if that's how it feels to him, the people who are praying are not at fault.
I'm soooo tired of people who claim that they either don't believe in God or believe in something else say, "because they feel pressured" others have no right to pray in public or in a government building or setting. Yet they feel they have the right to take away everyone elses rights to pray.
Bruce2397 Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 3:00 PM
If you pray in public in your church, and everyone who comes to the service knows what's coming, then that's great; if you're going to a Republican Party gathering because you're interested in small government and lower taxes and fewer regulations and free trade and what you get is that you're forced to pray along with whoever is offering the Christian invocation, then that's where the problem is. You can claim all you want that Mr. Goldberg isn't forced to pray in public with you, but that's not how it feels to the people who are stuck in those situations.
Patriot155 Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 2:55 PM
"we want to pray in public and make non-believers pray along with us"

I agree with that all the way up to the point where you say "...make non-believers pray along with us".

That is not true.
Bruce2397 Wrote: Dec 12, 2012 2:53 PM
I guess to be more accurate the choices are "The GOP should be a "we want to win elections by being more welcoming to non-Christians" club rather than a "we want to pray in public and make non-believers pray along with us" club."

In the scramble to make the GOP more diverse, a lot of people are looking at Asian Americans, whom many believe are a natural constituency for the party. I would love it if Asian Americans converted en masse to the Republican Party, but the challenge for Republicans is harder than many appreciate.

President Obama did spectacularly well with Asian Americans, garnering nearly three-quarters of their vote. This runs counter to a lot of conventional wisdom on both the left and the right. On average, Asian American family income is higher and poverty is lower than it is for non-Latino whites....

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