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The GOP's Immigration Mess

PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 1:27 PM
Each time Congress, and that means senate also, votes on issues regarding Illegal Immigration, and the subsidy of the Hispanics, both legal and illegal, as far as the eye can see, they throw the country under the bus for ONE MORE ELECTION! HH is another washington insider and while I agree with many of his positions, he too pulls down the blinders when the heavy Politically Incorrect is mentioned. The reasonable point many are trying to make here will be ignored because it is likely to bring disapproval from the PC police. Is it worth my time to try to present some logical points? Well, lets see; Hope springs eternal!!
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 1:53 PM
Would you argue that California has 12% of the population but 33% of the welfare expenditures? Do you dispute that by years end, Hispanics there will make up more than half their population? Do You see any connection?

Do you dispute that they are uneducated when arriving, average 6th grade reading level?
Are you disputing the Governments figures that there are 50% dropout rates?

Do you dispute the Governments claims that now 50% of Hispanic babies are born out of wedlock and their average 3 children will be supported 100% by taxpayers?

Do you dispute the NYTimes articles establishing the average Hispanic, even when working earns $10 an hour and pays into Social Security $2500 per year; just enough to cover two months of his own
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 2:02 PM
SS checks when he retires?

Do you dispute that these people will never pay income tax?
Do you deny the census figures that the Hispanic population grew at more than 4% in the last 10 years and that a $5 growth rate doubles their population every 17 years or so?

Have you checked the figures on Wikipedia which shows people of Mexican ancestry, regardless of how many years they have been here, are 158th oput of 169 ethnic groups surveyed, averaging household earnings of $13,020?
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 2:08 PM
Do you think these poorly educated people are the answer to our Hi Tech job openings?

Did you hear what the education Secretary said about people without a High school education? Let me show what the Secretary said
:
“If you drop out of high school, how many good jobs are there out there for you? None. That wasn’t true 10 or 15 years ago,” Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Now, how do ANY of you think we are improving the nation if we plan to use these people as building blocks?
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 2:50 PM
You actually have people on TV insisting that these people pay their own way; The ability to deny being limitless.

Why do they want to get here? How do they benefit? Do they get anything over and above what they personally earn? How about:

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, food stamps, federal aid to education, Head Start, Pell Grants, housing subsidies, welfare, earned income tax credits or unemployment checks? Did I miss Obamaphones and free child delivery, free diapers, free formula?

The latest numbers indicate the cost of raising a child to maturity now exceeds $300 thousand, all paid by the government in the immigrants case! All we need is just a few more good deals like this, don't you agree?
Curtis108 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 3:43 PM
Phillip: I think we would be better served by addressing citizens than playing demographic/ethnic slice and dice
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 4:02 PM
Curtis, I am addressing citizens here on this site, the ones who are being burdened beyond belief by the way we are handling immigration Practices. These citizens unborn descendants are being obligated to pay for the shortfall!

On Saturday I will be debating Mark Kirkorian on immigration policy before the National Review Institute.

I am a "wet," on the topic. Have been since I opposed California's proposition 187 in 1994.

Mark, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, is a "dry."

Here's the interesting thing about out "debate," to be moderated by National Review's Jim Geraghty: Even if one or the other of us succeeds in persuading everyone in the room of our point of view, it doesn't matter. Not a lick. The GOP is branded as an anti-immigrant party, especially with voters under 30, the...