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Both Sides Must Give Ground To Avoid Fiscal Cliff

Peter906 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 1:59 PM
On the other hand, the really intransigent souls are the Republicans. Remember that debate when the candidates were cheered for refusing even a 10:1 ration of spending cuts to tax increases? Plus, do Republicans really want a balanced budget amendment? Not in any of the Reagan years, or the Bush years -- you could not have the Bush tax cuts, Iraq war, and balanced budget, could you [well, the Republicans put the war off-budget, so maybe you could]). Clinton, well, *he* balanced the budget. He also raised taxes and cut services.
Beeblebrox Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 2:42 PM
Calling the Republican's "intransigent" is laughable. "Cowards" yes but "intransigent"? Bah. If the House submitted a balanced budget like most of them want, without being painted as hateful NAZIs, they would. But they don't want to be characterized that way, so they give ground. But it's never enough.

What one would hope is that the GOP realize that they will NEVER be given the benefit of the doubt by the Dems and the Liberal Press (but I repeat myself). They will never get Lib votes for compromising but they will LOSE conservative voters by the droves. Doing the right thing may force Obama to shut down the government but so be it. We'll live.
Texas Chris Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 2:23 PM
Sure, blame the GOP because they were big spenders in the past. But Bee's point still stands. No GOP spending + tax agreement will even be enough for the Democrats. Never.

Spending has to be cut at some point. They either do it now and avert a collapse, or the collapse comes anyway and they crash the entire federal government, the currency, and the national economy, if not the world.
Birdman III Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 2:07 PM
Jump off the clilff. Don't wait for Obama to push you.
In his first formal press conference in months, Barack Obama showed that getting re-elected can increase a president's confidence and combativeness. He staked out tough stands on several issues, especially on the looming budget negotiations.

Looking ahead to the "fiscal cliff" on Dec. 31, when the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire and sequestration cuts government spending sharply, Obama demanded $1.6 trillion of increased revenues as part of any budget bargain.

That's twice the number he and Speaker John Boehner agreed on in the grand bargain talks in the summer of 2011.

Those talks fell apart when Obama telephoned Boehner and raised his demand...