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Abortion Strips A Woman’s Free Choice

PatriotAfire Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 9:19 AM
Abortion is not just a philosophical debate about the misuse of freedom. A child is not just a little body of fetal parts. It is a soul containing something of the essence of God. That's the spiritual truth that cannot and must not be ignored. Mother Teresa understood this. It is why she fought so hard for the unborn. She saw God, the Christ, in each one, and bowed to that God with all due reverence. To her, abortion was the killing of God in these little ones. God is in the equation here. Abortion is not just a social or philosophical issue; it is the statement of whether we are still one people under God. For if we cannot protect the most innocent come shining from God, how can God protect us?
rauljg69 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 10:40 AM
To think of all the souls lost with miscarriages. Another one of Gods mysteries to create the female body to miscarry up to 1/3 of pregnancies. Why create the souls just to take them right away. Those souls far. Outnumber the amount of abortions.
talltexanoilfieldtrash Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 11:17 AM
Why do you question the reason that God calls His own to him, before we would have it happen? We are all God's children and He can do as he pleases, we have no say in His will.
kmartin Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 11:42 AM
So, the things we do here that poison the body, the early choices a woman makes, etc, have nothing to do with miscarriage, it is God's fault? How about the fact that over 80% of women that micarry have received an abortion previously? You don't hear thgat statistic very often, do you?
RufusTFirefly Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:10 PM
No. And I don't believe that statistic. Please show your source.
RufusTFirefly Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 9:50 AM
All well and good, but if you make abortion illegal, and a woman has an abortion (because it will still happen) what do you propose to do to that woman??
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 9:53 AM
How come everyone asks "what will you do to that woman?" and no one asks "what will you do to that illegal abortionist?"
RufusTFirefly Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 10:22 AM
Because that is more obvious. If abortion is illegal the illegal abortionist would face the legal system for their crimes. What would happen to the woman??
kmartin Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 10:44 AM
I seldom get involved in the abortion debate. I personnally think it is wrong, but I seriously doubt anyone I know would make that decision lightly. However, it infuriates me every time I hear about a woman's right to choose.

No one, I don't care who you pick, wants to take away a woman's, or a man's, right to choose. As a matter of fact, it is impossible to do so. The debate is not now, and has never been, about choice. No one can stop you from choosing anything you want. So every time this phrase comes out of someone's mouth, it is nothing more than utter stupidity pouring out in waves of liberal ignorance.

The debate is about when a fetus becomes a human being. If you can show me a real, true, scientific reason that the fetus is not
kmartin Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 10:48 AM
a human up to a certain point, I will stand with you and fight for you to have the ability to terminate that fetus up until that time. I mean it! I will back you wherever you go. But, one second after it becomes a human, you are a murderer if you abort that child, and I will fight for the death penalty for all that do it. You can "choose" to rob a bank, but that still makes you a bank robber.

Now, are you sure you still want to have this debate?
RufusTFirefly Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 11:21 AM
Sure .. your stance if I may summarize, is that if abortion is illegal, that a woman who has an abortion is a murderer and should be treated as such. That is what I am curious to know and I thank you for your response.
kmartin Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 11:38 AM
I wasn't actually referring to the legality, but the moral issues surrounding this debate. I hate how libs always want to change the essence of the debate. Choice is but one example of their calculated manipulation. By changing the debate from murder to choice, they offer up an excuse for the first. While this may be an effective political stratagy, like killing 20 kids and starting another gun debate takes eyes off of the president's complicity in the Benghazi murders, it is morally repulsive. It is a tactic we have to start calling them on at every turn. Once exposed, it invokes anger, not results, and they will stop using it. They have gotten away with it for too long already.
RufusTFirefly Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 12:10 PM
Ok. Let's agree that abortion is morally wrong. If you make it illegal, there will be consequences to deal with. This has nothing to do with Sandy Hook and Benghazi and you are using a misdirection tactic to change the discussion not me.

The way to end abortion is to show women that abortion strips them of freedom. Abortion does not preserve choice; abortion pollutes choice.

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