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Secular Humanists Bid All ‘A Merry un-Christmas’

Patriot155 Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:45 PM
I leave on this note, I'll argue things to a point and then I'll just stop when I feel that it's pointless; as I should have figured it would be from the beginning. If liberal/progressives feel that having a totally secular government is soooooooo good, beautiful and idealistic to their beliefs, than why don't they simply go to a nation ruled by secularism and simply declare citizenship from the tyrannical U.S. Christian based ideas that set the foundation for this great country; intead of trying to lie, push frugal silly lawsuits which any judge with a spine would just throw out (or should), and force everyone else to conform to atheism, THEIR RELIGION?
Patriot155 Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:50 PM
Wait, maybe I worded that wrong, because we all knwow that liberals are concerned with LIBERTY; it is so beneath them to force others legally or otherwise to conform to their beliefs? Why......if anything they are the ones that are constantly accusing others of doing it.....and I mean that in the sincerest sense (sarcasm). Not that it would be just a ploy or anything like....them trying to divert the attention away from the fact that they are the very worst perpetrators of it, or them trying to justify their motives of doing it....naaaahhhh....their intentions are completely in line with the will of the people. As long as their ideas and beliefs match theirs.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 5:00 PM
"Wait, maybe I worded that wrong, because we all know that liberals are concerned with LIBERTY; it is so beneath them to force others legally or otherwise to conform to their beliefs?"

Then why not join me and be against forcing people either way? Why do you think another's sin gives you permission to sin as well?
Patriot155 Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 5:23 PM
I never said it did. My point is that lib/progs have an annoying habbit of accusing others of doing it while remaining the chief perpetrators of it.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 5:46 PM
"My point is that lib/progs have an annoying habit of accusing others of doing it while remaining the chief perpetrators of it."

There's a lot of it going on from every direction. No doubt about that. I know you and others want to force me into some lib/progs category, but that's simply because you don't know me. You assume the worse. The reason I'm here is because I hate voting for Democrats. But unfortunately I have no real choice when there's virtually no difference between the parties and at least Democrats aren't too competent and aren't trying to create a theocratic state. Maybe some of you will realize these social issues are killing you.
JackieDEE Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 7:52 PM
Donjindra, no one is forcing you into a category. Based on you posting you agree with some of the values of libs/progs; yet you hate voting Democrat. Exactly, who is trying to create theocratic state? So far, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, United Arab Emirates, Pakistian, Malaysia, and Mauritania are Islamic theocracies. The Vatican City is the only Christian theocracy, although its laws are still limited to the secular laws of Italy. Democrats are trying to create a theocracy and the God is Government. Just ask the gentleman who was accused of setting off Benghazi with a video who sits in jail as we speak because of the current administration.
JackieDEE Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 7:53 PM
Exactly how are social issues killing us? Please explain.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 8:38 PM
"Exactly, who is trying to create theocratic state?"

Read Rushdoony for an obvious example. He has many followers. And then you have the David Bartons who see the US as a Christian Nation in a real sense. They deny there should be a separation between church and state. That's advocacy for theocracy.
JackieDEE Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 8:42 PM
And exactly how have these individuals forced you to anything remotely concerning Christianity?
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 8:42 PM
"Exactly how are social issues killing us? Please explain"

Republicans just lost an election they should have won.

You keep losing people like me who are fiscal conservatives.

You cannot implement your agenda unless you create a theocracy. What has 30 years of social conservatism gotten you? Are we better off?

How do you expect to sell the idea of less government when you push for a nanny state?
JackieDEE Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 10:24 PM
Donjindra, no we are not better off because we haven't had 30 years of social conservatism we have had 30+ years of increaseing socialism; dependency on the government and this was pushed by Democrats (always has been) and they are acutally one pushing for a nanny state. Republicans push for a theocracy; false. Exactly, what agenda are the Republicans pushing?
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 06, 2012 8:33 AM
" Exactly, what agenda are the Republicans pushing? "

You never heard of "family values?" Tell me how the state, which true conservatives see as incompetent and blundering, is going to decide what those values are and then inject them into my family? "Family values" really means "state values."
Anominus Wrote: Dec 06, 2012 10:27 AM
Actually, "family values" means just that - values that are beneficial to the family according to the "reasonable person" standard. As the traditional, nuclear family is a universally recognized good thing, we will obviously attempt to conform "state values" with those family values.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 5:06 PM
"we will obviously attempt to conform "state values" with those family values. "

Sounds totalitarian.

Maybe your family needs state intervention. Maybe you family is lost and needs to be told what to do and what to think and how to behave. Mine doesn't.
Truthwalker Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:49 PM
Well put... I must say.
KUDOS.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:49 PM
"If liberal/progressives feel that having a totally secular government is soooooooo good, beautiful and idealistic to their beliefs, than why don't they simply go to a nation ruled by secularism"

We have that right here, thank you very much. But if you want to live under religious tyranny why don't you go to Iran?
Patriot155 Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:53 PM
Probably because I'm not Muslim or an Islamist.

You know, if anything why don't you ask your friends that question? They're the ones that seem to embrace the idea of the Islamic agenda of spreading or imposing Shari'ah.
Jack2894 Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 4:07 PM
You mean you wouldn't like to live in a country governed by a religion you do not share? (hint)
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 4:54 PM
"You know, if anything why don't you ask your friends that question? They're the ones that seem to embrace the idea of the Islamic agenda of spreading or imposing Shari'ah."

Not my friends.

Donjindra Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 4:56 PM
"You mean you wouldn't like to live in a country governed by a religion you do not share? (hint) "

No I wouldn't. And it's nice to live in a country which is still governed by none.
Patriot155 Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 5:35 PM
If you mean that God is in none of our thinking as a socieity, you got me there.

You are dead on.
JackieDEE Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 5:45 PM
Yes, Patriot155 and if that's the case. I don't see what the issue is.

That “most wonderful time of the year” has arrived, and with it, most predictably, another round of attacks (yawn) by Secular Humanists doing their best to destroy the season by removing the Christ child from the crèche.

Yes, these are the same people who think goodness exists without God (with a capital “G”) and lose their free-thinking minds at courthouse displays of the Ten Commandments. Nothing against all the free thinking atheists out there, but what rational argument can be made against “Thou shalt not kill” or “Honor thy Father and Mother”?

You’d think free thinking would involve thinking...