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Abortion Strips A Woman’s Free Choice

Panda Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 8:44 PM
Republicans support every choice that does not remove someone else's choice. R's who believe the unborn are human lives (as I do) oppose abortion because it is a choice that removes someone else's choice to live. R's who believe the unborn are not human lives until they reach certain levels of viability support abortion rights until those levels are reached. D's don't care if it's a human life. D's only seek to erase possible consequences (pregnancy) for choices already made (sex). Only Republicans can be "pro-life" or "pro-choice." Democrats are only "anti-consequence." I like pro-choice Republicans, for they agree with my approach to choice. We R's enjoy an open dialogue on when life begins. Dems just silence dissent.
Wumingren Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:28 PM
The Declaration of Independence indicates that life begins at conception: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." If Lib-progs' definition that life begins at birth were true, the Founding Fathers would have had to have written "... that all men were born equal...." A human is not created at birth, but at conception. Lib-progs got it all wrong.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 9:09 PM
Why not just leave when life begins to objective scientific reality?
Panda Wrote: Jan 21, 2013 10:38 PM
We do. But we disagree on it.

I believe the prerequisites to being a human life are that one must be human and alive. From conception (or at the least, implantation), the unborn are genetically human--distinct from all other forms of life. And they're certainly alive, since dead things don't grown--not even with the help of a surrounding environment like the womb. So, I believe the unborn are human lives, and must be protected against choices that deny them the right to their own choice.

Others would disagree with me, saying they don't feel it's a human life until it is viable or independent. I believe this is adding to the prerequisites. We disagree, but at least in the GOP, we're actually ALLOWED to disagree and discuss.
John2038 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 4:10 PM
From the "objective scientific reality" just when does human life begin? Does any scientist know exactly when "beyond any reasonable doubt," which is applied in any case involving the death penalty?

The way to end abortion is to show women that abortion strips them of freedom. Abortion does not preserve choice; abortion pollutes choice.

Not All Free Choices Are Beneficial

Killing in the name of freedom does not preserve one’s own freedom. Women nearly always have the freedom to kill; they do not always have the right to kill.

Pro-choice activists tell women that in order to preserve their freedom, they must defend their right to kill their children. But the question is not whether an act is committed freely, but whether it is an objectively good act. If you freely...