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An Open Letter to the False Church

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 25, 2014 6:05 PM
If you actually read it, Barber didn't call them anything. He was quoting from the Book of 2 Peter regarding "false prophets". He also didn't specifically identify anyone, did he? Condemn Barber for what he said, if you can. But not from what he didn't say.
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An Open Letter to the False Church

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 25, 2014 5:59 PM
We're commanded to love everyone. That's a Christian teaching. It also doesn't include loving what everyone does.
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An Open Letter to the False Church

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 25, 2014 5:57 PM
Although Jesus' statement "I and my Father are one" kind of....got him killed. Not exactly in the "Jewish tradition".
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An Open Letter to the False Church

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 25, 2014 5:54 PM
Flaws in your response: 1. One never "wins" God's favor - one comes to Christ, and He already HAS God's favor. One aligns with Christ, and allows Christ to define who he is, and God's favor comes automatically. 2. Every Christian "seeking to turn" others from the "Evils of the World" is himself a sinner in need of that turning on a daily basis. There are no exceptions. And that is not a reason for those Christians to shut up about it. It is more like Alcoholics Anonymous than it is like Amway. 3. It is illegitimate to assume that only people who have "achieved" perfection in their life are allowed to help others to see their error. Christ's teaching about the "log in your eye" and the "mote in your brother's eye" notwithstanding. Christ sent flawed sinners out to convert the world when He sent his Apostles out - and things haven't changed.
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Forgetting the Meaning of Freedom

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 20, 2014 4:25 PM
And yet, "nhurston", the obvious intent of the founders was to prevent the establishment of a national denomination. Like Methodism, Catholicism, Presbyterianism, etc. (Note that they did not prevent the states from doing just that). They never discussed one time that the nation should be free from the general belief in God, or from beliefs that all Christian religions hold in common. The aberration here is the current move to refer to Christianity as a whole as something that cannot be "established", ignoring the historical context. There were atheists at the time of the Founding, as there were Muslims, Hindus, etc. Yet the Founders opened their proceedings with Christian prayer, a practice that was continued in the Congress, used the term "so help me God" in their oaths, and practiced honoring Christian holy days. Note that not one protested those practices. The aberration is what is happening today, clearly not what was intended by the "establishment of religion" clause. And, of course, the other aberration is the current ignoring of the " prohibiting the free exercise thereof" clause, as the Federal government as well as the state governments attempt to enforce the prohibition of CITIZEN'S public practice of their religion - attempts that are completely against the spirit and letter of the Constitution.
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Forgetting the Meaning of Freedom

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 20, 2014 4:16 PM
Which SHOULD mean that atheists opt out of the whole discussion, and shouldn't care whether or not they are exposed to other people's beliefs. But the FFR people do not do that. They go from "we don't believe that" to "you aren't allowed to publically speak YOUR beliefs". That crosses the line.
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Forgetting the Meaning of Freedom

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 20, 2014 4:12 PM
Of course, historically the black churches were places where politics was "splained" to the masses, and where they were acculturated to the "proper" viewpoint, and directed toward the preferred candidate. Still, Democrat politicians make it mandatory to speak politics in black churches, every campaign. Yet those churches are excused from any IRS scrutiny, because that would be "racist".
Superficial reading, you might get that impression from these particular texts. However, if you actually read Jesus' teachings, you would understand that the "sword" would be swords directed AT Christians, and "division" because nonChristians would not tolerate the truth and truth-speakers, and "fire on the earth" is related to the Second Coming of Christ, when the end of time comes and the earth is laid waste with fire - still in the future. You read superficially, and so you don't understand the texts you quoted.
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Women Ordered to Stop Praying Inside Mall

oscar77 Wrote: Aug 06, 2014 1:04 PM
Your opinion, not the law.
If Dr Carson said that HHS sky was blue, you would insist gat it was green.
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