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Too Much College

oneeye Wrote: Jun 27, 2012 3:08 PM
"College administrators want warm bodies to bring in money." That's only part of the scam. Progressives, who are vastly overrepresented on college and university faculties, want another four years to indoctrinate before these students have to go out and deal with reality. This is especially true in the squishy "sciences" such as sociology, psychology, political science, English literature, art history ... you get the idea. A good engineering degree is worth the time, effort, and cost.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Jun 27, 2012 9:14 PM
I am so tired of Conservatives beating the liberal indoctrination drum to death. I did my undergrad at a private liberal arts college in Missouri, and law school at the University of Missouri. As much as is made about liberal academia, while working on my bachelors, it became painfully obvious that at one time our proud institution had been "Christian College," and that a number of the alumni donors attended Christian College and still retained its values--which means that the administration maintained an academic environment that would make them quite comfortable, and the faculty followed suit.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Jun 27, 2012 9:19 PM
As for MU law, we had quite a few profs that held pretty clearly conservative views. This, of course, includes Prof. Lambert, my former Business Orgs prof who writes conservative pieces for the business law blog Truth in the Marketplace (I think the last one I read was a piece on how businesses are being choked by regulations and how we have forgotten the lessons taught to us by Reagan's economic advisors). I'm not saying I didn't have some professors with some clearly liberal points of view as well, but it certainly isn't this place where liberals go to brainwash the nation's kids. And frankly, college is a place where you go to have your views tested so you can learn how better to defend them, or whether you may have assumed too much...
Georgia Boy 61 Wrote: Jun 27, 2012 4:05 PM
Re: "That's only part of the scam. Progressives, who are vastly overrepresented on college and university faculties, want another four years to indoctrinate before these students have to go out and deal with reality." Bingo - give that man a prize. The longer students delay entering the real world, the thinking goes, the longer they will remain liberals.
FairnessMan Wrote: Jun 27, 2012 3:56 PM
oneeye:

As an engineer I can tell you an engineering degree is not worth $hit compared to a degree in education.
As an engineer you make crap money for the effort invested, you have no job security, all employers have more respect for the janitors than their engineers. Employers know the janitors know more about getting what they want from the employers than the engineers do. So get into a Kindergarten classroom, get a salary near, at and even over $100K, free gold plated health care for life and a fat pension at 50 or 55 years old. Do you get it?
Dogs for Romney_TX Chair Wrote: Jun 27, 2012 4:35 PM
On one hand, you have so many politically indoctrinated students who are totally academically unprepared for the rigors of engineering school.

On the other hand those that ARE see their parents laid off see engineering as a dead end field for the reasons you describe.

That creates the self fulfilling prophesy that we need more H1B's because "Americans lack the special skills".
In President Barack Obama's 2012 State of the Union address, he said that "higher education can't be a luxury. It is an economic imperative that every family in America should be able to afford." Such talk makes for political points, but there's no evidence that a college education is an economic imperative. A good part of our higher education problem, explaining its spiraling cost, is that a large percentage of students currently attending college are ill-equipped and incapable of doing real college work. They shouldn't be there wasting their own resources and those of their families and taxpayers. Let's look at...