Re: Gary 919, -- Here's a simple test for you "open borders" folks. If you lock your doors at night you are ipso facto a hypocrite! --- Do you really want to argue that the land belongs to *everybody*? Because that is what you're implying, with all the creepy consequences that such notion carries (i.e. communism.)

Re: usmcpgw, -- who believes nations of people do NOT have the RIGHT to make their own LAWS -- Don't LIE. You never said nations of PEOPLE. You said "nations" only. PEOPLE have a right to assemble and agree on laws, but that does not mean NATIONS make laws. Only PEOPLE make laws.

Re: loadstar, -- yet it is YOU whose views on the ILLEGAL alien incursion are in sync with the ObaMessiah's! -- I couldn't care less what Barry Soetoro thinks or wants to do. I do not engage in Ad Hominems by proxy.

Re: usmcpgw, -- yes it IS progressive. I WANT to grow my own food. -- Your own desires do not change the fact that the CONCEPT of Division of Labor is an economic one and not a politica (or emotional) one. You're being a loon. -- hw does illegal immigrants help them GET employed? -- Immigrants also require services and goods, usmnpgw. Those services are provided by Americans, the goods are provided by Americans. There's a reason why when immigrants are uprooted and deported, the local economy where they lived suffers - stores, rental apartments, car dealerships, you name it. -- and then get free medical, dental, education -- Those are arguments against welfare and mandatory schooling, but NOT against immigration.

Re: usmcpgw, -- human rights perspective IS an EMOTIONAL perspective -- Stop being foolish. It is a RATIONAL perspective. Humans are BORN with rights - agree with this, or not? -- right to employ..... same as right to BE employed? -- NO, they're not the same. One stems from the right to freely associate with whoever you want; the other is an entitlement as in YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO A JOB BY VIRTUE OF BEING AN AMERICAN. See?

Re: loadstar, -- Isn't it much easier to announce to all illegals that they have to leave the country and go back home? -- Just like stroking the lamp to call the genie. -- Anyone who has no documents and remains in the U.S. will be found and send to hard labor in Alaska for five years. -- Now you're treading on psychotic land, load.

This is what makes me thing conservatives are just as CLUELESS about economics as their brethren on the left: usmcpgw wrote: "division of labor..... progressivist propaganda" Division of Labor is an economic concept which means YOU don't have to sew your own shirts or grow your own food. It is very far from being "Progressivist" propaganda. Loadstar may be an economics-ignorant bigot and a socialist, but you're just a fool.

Re: usmcpgw, -- which ignores INNOVATION and the FACTORY -- WHAT "ignores innovation and the factory"? What are you talking about? -- there are MILLIONS of Americans out of work -- AND? That has NOTHING to do with immigration but with a government subsidizing unemployment and increasing the cost to hire. Immigrants do NOT fill the niches that Americans usually fill.

Re: Eleanor32, -- Conservatives think their way through problems while progressives use feelings rather than reasoning when they make decisions. -- That may be in some instances, but in this case, there are clearly emotions on both sides. The issue of immigration should be looked at from a human rights perspective as well as an economic perspective. People have a right to migrate, otherwise California would NOT allow Californians to move to Texas or Nevada. People have a right to EMPLOY anyone they want - it's THEIR money. Immigration helps the economy by increasing the pool of labor for the low-skill market, which helps release much-needed American labor for other endeavors. This is an economic axiom.

Re: Eleanor32, -- Conservatives think their way through problems while progressives use feelings rather than reasoning when they make decisions. -- That may be in some instances, but in this case, there are clearly emotions on both sides. The issue of immigration should be looked at from a human rights perspective as well as an economic perspective. People have a right to migrate, otherwise California would NOT allow Californians to move to Texas or Nevada. People have a right to EMPLOY anyone they want - it's THEIR money. Immigration helps the economy by increasing the pool of labor for the low-skill market, which helps release much-needed American labor for other endeavors. This is an economic axiom.