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Winning After Losing on Gay Marriage

Old Ironsights Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 10:36 AM
"we are winning on Liberty"... which is why we are "losing" on "gay marriage". AFAIC the .gov should get out of "marriage" completely and leave it to the Churches. "Marriage" - AS A .gov SANCTIONED INSTITUTION exists(ed) for a select few purposes... most of them noxious. Just like "welfare", as soon as you take away the .gov incentives for or against a particular activity, the activity will normalize to its statistical mean... which, in the case of "gay marriage" will be about 3%. Don't subsidize it and it will go away...
Tommy_Maq Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:47 AM
"AFAIC the .gov should get out of "marriage" completely and leave it to the Churches."

Not an option. Enforcing and adjudicating contracts freely entered by consenting adults is one of the 3 (or 4) legitimate functions of government.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 10:40 AM
Leave WHAT to the Churches? Defining marriage?

And so, a sodomite "church" can define marriage for real Christians?
SteveL2 Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 11:28 AM
That's how it used to be.

In colonial America prior to the Revolutionary War, there were no civil marriage certificates because there were no states. They had religious marriage and common-law marriage.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Apr 01, 2013 4:06 PM
They also had the absolute freedom not to recognize such unconscionable combinations as same-sex couples. That freedom no longer exists.

As a lawyer, I sometimes have to deliver news that clients don’t want to hear. Here’s some for conservatives. The gay marriage fight is over. It is here to stay, and conservatives – whether for it, against it or just tired of hearing about it – need to coolly and dispassionately figure out just how we are going to win going forward.

This is not a judgment about its pros and cons. We’re past that. None of it matters anymore. This is about dealing with reality. Whether the fight ends with a Constitution-twisting Supreme Court ruling or after years or...