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The Republican Rape Dilemma

NV1 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 12:42 PM
As a lifelong conservative, I really wish the Republican party would drop this as an issue. My ardently Pro-Life viewpoint comes from my faith, but I don't believe that I can force my beliefs on someone else. What the Republican party needs to do is take a position that they will not attempt, ever, to overturn Roe v. Wade. We need to fight against extremes like late-term abortion, partial birth abortion and take action to make sure that women who are making the decision whether to abort a child are given the best information, support and options that will increase the chance that they will choose life. Saying that you are opposed to abortion in the case of rape and incest is a loser that plays into the liberals hands.
Paul218 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 2:36 PM
Defending the innocent is absolutely, positively part and parcel of nearly every faith on the planet. Abdicating such beliefs does you no credit. Only complete tools and fools like Jack2894, the omnipresent liberal troll, could make equivalent protecting innocent life with dictating someone's actions.
SterCrazy Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:49 PM
I'm personally against murder, but who am I to enforce my beliefs on someone else. Torture is wrong for me, but i can't prevent you from using it if you want to. I personally wouldn't use "date rape" drugs, but if that helps you out, go for it! When will this idiot argument die?

Why don't you castigate Democrats for making their killing of unborn children THE MOST IMPORTANT position in their political platform? Who is extreme here - those who recognize the moral imperative of protecting the life of the innocent, or those who believe killing the innocent for convenience is the preferred life outcome? if you're against a rape and incest exception, make the case for preserving the life of the innocent and punishing the guilty.
Jack2894 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 2:25 PM
jjollymore Wrote: Oct 27, 2012 8:18 AM
If they're not human, what are they? I have never heard of a human female bearing anything other than a human baby. Does the baby change to human at some point by magic, Jack? Or rather are you willfully ignorant of science, while labeling us conservatives anti-science? Project much?
Jack2894 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:02 PM
Its not just a loser as an argument: itsd an affront to women everywhere.
restoreliberty Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:34 PM
Actually this woman sees the affront as being one in which a woman is used for purely sexual reasons, discarded, and then vacuum and scraped for profit, while men take no responsibility what so ever. Rather degrading and demeaning and certainly tells women they are nothing more than a disposable commodity.
Jack2894 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:51 PM
You are quite wrong, but I can see how you have allowed your emotional belief system to overhwelm your rationality. WOmen who are raped fit hte first part of your description. But telling them they have to bear the child of thier rapist rather than use emergency contraception is tellign them that they are nothing but vessels used to soothe the conscience of the right wing.
IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 12:56 PM
So you roll over and let the murder of babies continue? What are we at now...56 million and counting?
Jack2894 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:05 PM
Actually, the only one here who is allowign the murder of babies is you. I am not concerned over the abortion of a 2 cell oocyte, but you are. I dont' know why you are sitting by, doing nothing, while 56 million murders are committed. Time to stop talking and do something, don't you think?
IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:10 PM
Kill more abortion doctors perhaps?
Jack2894 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:20 PM
You have to decide what to do. But I am quite sure you should do something?
restoreliberty Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:31 PM
The fifth week of pregnancy, or the third week after conception, marks the beginning of the embryonic period. This is when the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form.

a little more than a 2 cell oocyte and a woman has just missed her first period -- abortions are not performed before the missed period has actualized -- so a full embryonic human being, with no rights, exist and can be murdered without ever committing a crime and without ever being afforded the benefit of due process -- great relative morality you have going there
Jack2894 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:49 PM
You have, apparently, missed the point of this discussion. The REpublican platform, Paul Ryan, and candidates like mourdock would pass a law which provided protection to every fertilized egg. There is no room for considering fetal development in their argument.
Ken6226 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 1:54 PM
"The REpublican platform, Paul Ryan, and candidates like mourdock would pass a law which provided protection to every fertilized egg. There is no room for considering fetal development in their argument."

Straw man. A baby has to develop to a certain level before it can be aborted.
Straw man. A
Jack2894 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 2:10 PM
It is hard to argue with conservatives who are fundamentally misinformed on the facts. The REPublican platform would prohibit the use of emergency contraception when rape victims are taken to a hospital. It considers any fertilized egg as a person regardless of its stage of development.
NV1 Wrote: Oct 26, 2012 6:10 PM
The problem is that not everyone considers an embryo to be a baby. To me, that is largely dependent upon your faith and spiritual view which we cannot legislate. Once again, I'm against abortion, but I don't feel that I have the moral authority to tell other citizens that my viewpoint is the absolutely correct and therefore women who don't believe the same way should be forced to carry a baby to term against their will and their beliefs. By now Republicans should have learned 2 obvious lessons, 1) We will never overturn Roe v. Wade and 2) The rape and incest case arguments are such a small % of abortions performed that it is almost inconsequential. If you want to protect unborn children, we need a better plan to educate and support women.

As Richard Mourdock’s Indiana Senate fate hinges on how voters absorb his views on rape, all conservatives have an opportunity for a look in the mirror.

Just how pro-life do we want to be?

The Mourdock controversy is nothing like Todd Akin’s self-inflicted wound in Missouri, the result of an embrace of just plain bad medical information.

Mourdock is in hot water for accurately (if not particularly skillfully) articulating what God instructs about the life of the unborn.

If he is on politically shaky ground, it is because he had the courage to stand on the...