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Obama's Immigration Plan: Expedite 11 Million Illegal Immigrants to Citizenship

NovusOrdoSeclorum Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 8:36 PM
Cite all the convention records and ancient precedent you want. Jus soli is the law here now.
bensan Wrote: Jan 30, 2013 8:45 AM
The comment was not referring to you at all, it was directed towards the discussion in general.

I should have rewriiten the comment you were replying to 1st to make it clearer, instead of over-reacting-so-quickly to your ST-FU-USC comment !

Then maybe you wouldn't have called me a nucking futter !

Correction:

It wasn't the USSC that said it, it was the IN-SC that said in a case referring to the USSC Wong-Kim-Ark and other USSC cases:

"Illegal-Alien + No "Allegiance=Loyalty" to the USA = "You are not "under the jurisdiction of the USA and No Automatic US citizenship for that illegal-aliens US-born children !"

You're a "foreigner-alien", and not under the jurisdiction of the USA, because of your lack of "Allegiance=Loyalty" to the USA !
bensan Wrote: Jan 30, 2013 2:58 AM
the masses of illegal-alien-invaders being referred to didn't want to, haven't learned English, they're sending 10's-of-billions-US-$ back to Mexico per-year !

"No-Allegiance-to-the-USA !" before-during-after they illegally-mass-invaded !

Looks-sounds more like a pre-planned mass-Mexican-invasion of the USA !

Gather all the indisputable-facts, US-Courts-precedents, related to not granting citizenship to illegal-aliens and their US-born-children, same for anything related to the requirement for "Allegiance-to-the-USA" referrring the above topoc.

Then write a full-report based upon this approach-argument, prepare offensive-defensive-plans to use In-Courts, On-News-shows-sites to finally end the Mexican-illegal-alien-invasion of the USA !
bensan Wrote: Jan 30, 2013 2:41 AM
granting amnesty from time-to-time to a bunch of thousands of illegsal-invaders,

It has become a literal invasion of 10's of millions of hostile invaders !

Some-one-groups should start to approach the fights in the Lower-Higher-Courts to stop this massive $cheme-$cam, with this precedented-based approach-argument,

The Indiana case mentioned "Allegiance-to-the-USA" as being a pre-requisite for an "illegal-alien" to actually be considered "Under-the-Jurisdiction-of-the-USA,"

which would then grant an illegal-aliens US-born-child automatic US citizenship.

Since the 1986 failed Mass-Amnesty, the illegal-alien-invasion problem has gotten much-worse-more-hostile-disasterous-detrimental-bankrupting by the day !

Proof is that their masses
bensan Wrote: Jan 30, 2013 2:28 AM
I wasn't referring to you at all !

The comment was about the USSC stating in the IN case that "Allegiance" to the USA was needed for an illegal-alien to be granted US citizenship.

My point was to look at the "Blatant-anti-USA-Non-Allegiance-Attitude-Approach-Mantra-Actions,"

that millions of illegal-aliens have, same for their US-Hispano-based-advocy-groups, and the illegal-invaders-home-base-Mexican-Govt itself,

displays in full view day-in-day-out !

The whole illegal-alien-situation has devolved into the,

anti-US-American-anti-Allegiance-to-USA-Illegal-alien-$cheme-$cam-Operation !

Proven by all of the disasterous-detrimental aspects it has wrought upon the USA !

This is not random illegal-immigration that can be dealt with by
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 10:04 PM
Yes, you did:

In reply to my post @ 8:21 PM, you wrote:


bensan Wrote: 1 hour ago (8:47 PM)
USSC also says,

Illegal-Alien + No "Allegiance" to the USA's USC," States-citizens-rights = "You are not a US citizen !"

You are a foreigner, and not under the jurisdiction of the USA, because of yout lack of "Allegiance=Loyalty" to the USA !


bensan Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:57 PM
No I didn't you stupid moron !
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:51 PM
"You are a foreigner..."

You posted it in a reply to me, nucking futter.

bensan Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:48 PM
It was referencing the USSC's opinion on illegal-aliens, you jerk !
bensan Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:46 PM
Moron,

That was not to you, you idiot,

It was referencing the USSC's opinion, you jack-a-s-s,

Learn how to read other peoples comments correctly, you moron !
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:31 PM
"You are a foreigner, and not under the jurisdiction of the USA, because of yout lack of "Allegiance=Loyalty" to the USA !"



S T F U, USC. I'm an American citizen and have been one since 2002.
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:30 PM
You should also probably read the statute and its legislative history. Also, do some reading of caselaw on the clause of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in (a) prior to Brennan's footnote.

:-)
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:28 PM
There were NO borders, which is different from OPEN borders.

""I was one before I became an American." One what?"

A LEGAL IMMIGRANT.

"You brought up the convention on the 14th Amendment and with it "birth on American soil." So, that's where the birthright discussion began. You said it was a "rhetorical question," thus essentially a statement. I brought up jus soli because you made the aforementioned "statement.""

I asked what THE AUTHOR of the citizenship clause and the debate of it thought about mere birth on American soil as it pertains to citizenship.

" 8 USC § 1401"

Um, Phyler didn't "make" 8 USC § 1401. It was created by the Nationality Act of 1940 and still did not create citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants.
bensan Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:24 PM
USSC also says,

Illegal-Alien + No "Allegiance" to the USA's USC," States-citizens-rights = "You are not a US citizen !"

You are a foreigner, and not under the jurisdiction of the USA, because of yout lack of "Allegiance=Loyalty" to the USA !
NovusOrdoSeclorum Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 9:07 PM
Of course there were many tribes. The first Europeans to come here did not encounter closed borders. They encountered open borders. I don't know what is so hard to understand.

You brought up the convention on the 14th Amendment and with it "birth on American soil." So, that's where the birthright discussion began. You said it was a "rhetorical question," thus essentially a statement. I brought up jus soli because you made the aforementioned "statement."

"I was one before I became an American." One what?

A footnote may not constitute law, but if it is codified, say in 8 USC § 1401, then it sure is. You do know how they make laws out of court decisions, don't you?
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 8:58 PM
I wasn't aware that "Native Americans" were one nation. /

This country is not in existence because of open borders. Before there was a United States and after land was taken from the Indians, there were British, French, Spanish and Dutch colonies.

"Jus soli and immigration"

You are the one, who brought up jus soli. I know what immigration is, especially LEGAL IMMIGRATION, since I was one before I became an American.

And, the fact that a footnote in a Supreme Court 5/4 decision, which isn't even really dicta, is currently considered the law of the land doesn't mean it will always be so.

NovusOrdoSeclorum Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 8:50 PM
Yes, I did say that. Did the Native Americans have closed borders I wasn't aware of?

Jus soli and immigration are not the same thing and the fact that it has not always been the law has nothing to do with the fact that this nation was founded by the 17th century equivalent of illegal immigrants.
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 8:50 PM
One more thing:

"Ancient precedent"??? Phyler, which is the FIRST CASE where the Court ruled - in a footnote - that mere birth on this soil to illegal immigrants made one an American citizen, was decided in 1982.

If you'd like me to provide you with a plethora of "ancient precedent" that was overturned many more years than 31, let me know. I'll be thrilled to provide it to you.

Plessy (1896) overturned by Brown (1954) is a perfect place to start...
bensan Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 8:49 PM
USSC also says,

Illegal-Alien + No "Allegiance" to the USA's USC," States-citizens-rights = "You are not a US citizen !"

You are a foreigner, and not under the jurisdiction of the USA, because of yout lack of "Allegiance=Loyalty" to the USA !
Resist, We Much!!! Wrote: Jan 29, 2013 8:45 PM
Toots, you are the idiot that replied to my post that said:

"Also, I wonder why the author of and the debate concerning the 14th Amendment, SPECIFICALLY, stated birth on American soil did not make one an American citizen. Any idea?"

With:

"Jus soli here, buddy."


I, SPECIFICALLY, cited the discussion about the 14th Amendment in the because you claimed open borders is why the US exists, seem to be arguing that it has always existed, and believed that birth on American soil automatically made one a citizen throughout the history of the US.


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