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Do Gun Control Laws Control Guns?

NovusOrdoSeclorum Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 7:38 PM
"But, after British gun control zealots managed over the years to disarm virtually the entire law-abiding population, armed robberies became literally a hundred times more common. And murder rates rose." Who is cherry picking here? What studies do you refer to? I have read a number of sets of data and the British homicide rate is dramatically lower than ours.
ocel Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:47 PM
Read again, gun homicides are pretty much unchanged to higher, but other homicides and ALL other violent crimes are up dramatically. The Home Office only counts a "crime" after a conviction in court, that helps them show a lower rate to keep from alarming the sheep. The UK has the highest crime rate in Europe and util the Channel Tunnel was built it was an island nation with easy to control borders.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 10:23 PM
It was ALWAYS lower dim wit.
Not cherry picking, just brutal facts from Scotland Yard and British newspapers. go look it up.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 7:50 PM
they have less people and higher crime rates.
NovusOrdoSeclorum Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 7:54 PM
Yes, they have less people. Hence, there is this thing called per capita.

We are talking about homicides. The per capita homicide rate in the US is over 10 times what it is in the UK. I'd be willing to bet the same goes for "crime rates" in general. Perhaps you can crunch those numbers to support your asinine point?
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 8:00 PM
it has been well documented that following their gun control measures, crime overall in GB shot up by 35%. It was actually posted here repeatedly. So, your argument fails. This doesn't even discuss Australia.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 8:01 PM
Oh, and BTW, go f yourself, jack wad.

Have a nice day.
NovusOrdoSeclorum Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 8:05 PM
Hahahaha, you're angry because you're confused by complex issues and because your side is losing ground in this country. Evolution's a bitc h, ain't it?

I would love to see you cite that stat. Better yet, you could engage in a dialogue about the data I set forth. Nevermind I shouldn't expect that of you.
LtScrounge Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:44 PM
There are violent crimes other than murder. Since the adoption of the gun laws in Australia, the rate of armed home invasions has gone through the roof. Being unable to avoid being beaten to death, does not equate to safety for anyone other than for those who would do the attacking.
Conrad43 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 1:55 AM
They have a hire overall crime rate than we do because the people lack the ability to defend themselves from criminals.
Bigdogoffthechain11 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 6:35 AM
I don't get angry, and you're not smart enough to discern what I think or perhaps feel. Nor am I "confused", and certainly the day will never arrive where some 12-year-old on the internet outthinks me. If you want citations, go look these up yourself and educate yourself, ahole. It builds character. Evolution is a theory and sometimes nature selects variants to be extinct. You're a classic case.
Ammendment2 Wrote: Jan 30, 2013 6:57 PM
US Stats are based on reports, UK stats are based on convictions. So the US stats include incidents with no arrest, cases thrown out due to technicalities, and cases dismissed due to lack of evidence. UK stats do not acknowledge the failures of their police.
The gun control controversy is only the latest of many issues to be debated almost solely in terms of fixed preconceptions, with little or no examination of hard facts.

Media discussions of gun control are dominated by two factors: the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment. But the over-riding factual question is whether gun control laws actually reduce gun crimes in general or murder rates in particular.

If, as gun control advocates claim, gun control laws really do control guns and save lives, there is nothing to prevent repealing the Second Amendment, any more than there was anything to prevent repealing the...