"My assertion was "There are so many loopholes in corporate taxes that our AVERAGE rate is lower than other developed countries." You're making up some different assertion, claiming I said it, and then arguing with it."

You're ignoring the issue of State Taxes and how they factor into your assertion that US corps do not pay more than the average of 30 LTPs.

The larger question is whether or not US Corps are made less competitive in a global economy by TAXES. You're focusing on the corner of the data which supports your contention that current tax rates are no problem.

"Do you think that says something about the average rate paid by US corporations? If you do, I hope you aren't the one doing your corporation's books."

My point was simply that your assertion that corporations do not actually pay the % indicated is false. Some do and for those, the current rates inhibit competitiveness. You're not suggesting that those who actually pay the current tax rates are being naive are ya?

Again, you're making things up. The "conservative economic philosophy has failed" was probably in your squeaky voice, because I certainly said nothing to that effect.

So then by "stale catchphrases that right-wingers have been using for decades", you're not suggesting that conservative economic philosophy is either failed or without merit?

If so, you got me. If not, you're a fraud.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the solution here: Drop the corporate income tax rate to, say, the Swedish socialist level of 28% to reduce the attraction of tax havens, while eliminating the broad exemptions and industry-specific perks that have turned our tax code into Swiss cheese"

Quote from the very WSJ article you cited to discredit the article above which suggests that corporate rates should be reduced.

"When it's something more than the stale catchphrases that right-wingers have been using for decades, and ignoring when they're in control of the government.

Now you can't have it both ways. In one breath you tell us conservative economic philosophy has failed and in the next you tell us it is routinely ignored when republicans get into office.

I think you're half right btw.

Please cite a source of you assertion that actual taxes paid as a percentage of corporate profits in the US is lower than the average of our 30 largest trading partners.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1471.html

Unsupported assertions do not a good argument make.

The current administration has spent a large part of past year trying to work out the details of a HC proposal. As of today, we have "clichés, generalities, and misconceptions." about it.

At what point does a concept become a policy that is specific enough to qualify as an "idea" to you? I'll grant you that the article above does not suggest several 2000+ pg solutions yet suggesting that only 2000 pg solutions qualify as ideas is absurd....

As a manager of a privately held corporation, I can attest to the fact that the percentage of operating profit paid to fedgov equals the percentage indicated in the source I cited.

Also, you allude to something I think we might both agree on. Simplification of our tax code would serve several purposes. Not only would the company I manage be able to stop spending several 10s of thousands of dollars/yr on compliance costs, the primary mechanism which is used in Washington to sell our collective interests down the river would be dismantled.

I suspect if you or I were to offer that dipstick a sound beating, he'd be the party of NO.

Agreed, sometimes NO is the right answer.

As to honesty...."Essentially the same thing I suggested originally."

BS, you did not endorse reducing rates.

"what is it you are offerring the american people other than opposing EVERYTHING PREZ Obama and the Dem led congress are doing?"

Read the article that precedes this thread.

We can disagree about what might work but to imply that conservatives are absent ideas is disingenuous. You further degrade your own credibility by making such demonstrably false statements.

As for your party of NO theory, NO is a natural and predictable response to a far left, socialist agenda in a center-right country. Only a "useful idiot" would be unable to see this.