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Missouri Takes Lead Reducing Gun and Domestic Violence

None1257 Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 11:22 AM
What percentage of gun related deaths are the result of someone in a family abusing a "substance"? What is the definition of "substance abuse"?
David R. Usher Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 12:12 PM
The percentage of gun related deaths is not mentioned in the DOJ reports. The amount of gun-related violence is covered, which includes gun deaths, and that correlation is very high. In our legislation, there is no definition for substance abuse, nor is one needed. If substance abuse becomes a serious problem within a marriage to the point that a spouse has a driving need to do something about it, it needs to be addressed. In our model, substance abuse is self-defining within each marriage.
JustMC Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 12:20 PM
No, in your model, substance abuse is decided by the STAR CHAMBER you create. The DECIDERS, this magical panel (of "former substance abusers" BTW folks) that creates and end-run around the traditional burdens of proof in courts. Get branded a "substance abuser" by these folks and you lose the rights of the regular citizen. Not for any crimes you committed, but for crimes they want to correlate to the label "substance abuser."

This is TOTALITARIAN garbage. It is up to all small-government Constitutionalists to throw out this dangerous garbage, and the snake-oil salesmen who market it.
JustMC Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 1:06 PM
The states are not allowed to trample the Bill of Rights, even in their experiments.

Moreover, I'm not arguing from a Federal vs. State perspective anyway. I'm arguing the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty. Allowing the brand "substance-abuser" to be put onto someone and having his liberty and property removed, suspending protections otherwise afforded all citizens, is dangerous ground.

Put another way, all should know gun-grabs are dangerous. So, even if a particular gun-grab is a state experiment that you think should be free from Federal oversight, one can decry the gun-grab for the INHERENT evil it is.
DKJ Wrote: Feb 11, 2013 9:07 PM
See my point below. This is absolute garbage. All this does is give a disgruntled spouse a weapon to attack their partner. I would be ashamed to have my name associated with legislation as poorly conceived as this seems to be. If you live in Missouri, you should be contacting your state reps and senators. If this dies in committee, so much the better.

Missouri House Bill 402 is a major step forward reducing gun violence, domestic violence, and other forms of serious violence. For decades, federal and state policy attempting to impact these growing problems failed because the policies were pointed in the wrong direction.

Substance abuse in the family is the leading factor and primary driver of many kinds of gun-related crimes, domestic violence, and other offenses.

Substance abuse is tightly bound to domestic violence. Three-quarters of serious domestic violence is associated with substance abuse at the time of violence (Fig 3). This statistic does not include substance abusers who...