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A Tale of Two Countries

None1257 Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:21 PM
Does anyone know what it means when someone says they are in favor of "limited government"? "Limited" to what? And "if" indiviudal freedom is important, would you be a Libertarian or a Conservative?
Birdman III Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 3:05 PM
If men were angels, we would not need a government.

If angels ruled men, we would not need a constitution.
ladykrystyna Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 2:02 PM
Individual freedom is important to both Libertarians and Conservatives. Libertarians are farthe right than Conservatives. I equate them with the anti-Federalists of our Founding era. They felt that the Constitution still gave the federal gov't too much power. The Federalists believed they had found a good compromise between federal power and state power. Both groups set out their arguments in the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers. Give them a read.

Democrats - modern Democrats, that is - are Leftists who believe in a big centralized gov't telling everyone what to do (except in cases of abortion - although I think that if that became a problem for the State, they would reverse real quick and they would ban them).
ladykrystyna Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:59 PM
Limited government means that the gov't does only what is necessary for a gov't to do. You can check out our Constitution, where the powers of the branches are laid out, especially the powers of Congress. These are called enumerated powers and they are the only things the gov't is permitted to do. That has changed, especially over the last 100 years when terms like "general welfare" and "interstate commerce" were bastardized for the benefit of giving more power to the government.
Kali_Fred Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:56 PM
Yes - the Constitution spells out the duties of the Federal government. Any deviation from that is not "limited" government.

It has become an accepted truism in American politics that both Democrats and Republicans want the same things: a prosperous America, a strong America, an America true to principles of freedom and liberty.

Perhaps 50 years ago that was true.

Today, it no longer is.

The fact is that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are no longer arguing over means; we are arguing over ends. Democrats know that economic prosperity for the broad swath of the United States cannot be bought with higher taxes; even Bill Clinton recognized as much in the 1990s, which is why he lowered capital gains taxes dramatically...