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Rampage Shootings: It's the Moral Decay of Society, not Guns

nomo Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:17 PM
It has been my observation that the more insecure & afraid a person is, the more guns they need to surround themselves with.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 2:26 PM
then you have poor powers of observation and reasoning.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

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ericynot Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:24 PM
nomo,

That's been my observation as well. Interestingly, the folks I know who feel such a need often find it boomeranging on them. I have a brother with a small arsenal. Has he ever used it for protection? No -- but he has had to spend a bunch of money replacing those guns when they were stolen. I have a good friend who also has a houseful. Has he driven away any home invaders? No -- but he has managed to shoot himself in the hand.

Most of us simply don't have a good reason to be armed in such fashion, whether it's legal or not. And, of course, it is.
midfielder2 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:29 PM
Both of you fairies are welcome to come through my door and see how afraid I am.
IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:32 PM
Much like a tire iron that I've never used its there if and when I need it for changing a flat or whacking a union thug.
nomo Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:38 PM
yep - ¬ sure how many kids killed from accidental shootings but too many.

The moral decay argument is kind of lame, but I suppose it is the only one they have left.
Eileen167 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 2:00 PM
Eileen167 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 2:03 PM
ummm, the moral decay argument is the only argument that matters. Broken and dysfuntional families are the reason for a tremendous amount of misery. My college age son and I don't see eye to eye on politics but he has plenty of anecdotes about kids his age who have struggled because of the homes they grew up in. He's grateful that our family is close and supportive. You don't have to look at studies. Just look around.
Roy323 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 2:15 PM
nomo-the SHORT ((and LONG) answer is: DON'T LET KIDS play with GUNS! Now that isn't hard, right? Wrong? THOUGHT SO!
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 2:28 PM
"when seconds count,police are minutes away".
Police are never around when you really need them.
Criminals act when police are not around.

that's a damn good reason to have arms.

This school massacre was no different than any terrorist attack.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 2:29 PM
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own
conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the
law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the
lawless will allow...
For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to
accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals.
Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate
themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
---------- Jeff Snyder
ericynot Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 3:02 PM
fielder,

The point is that, apparently, without your weapons you ARE afraid. Some of us aren't.

It should come as no surprise that the rate of mass shootings at schools and in other public places is increasing. The surge has nothing to do with guns, which have been widely available in the U.S. for years. Gun control laws have been increasing. Instead, there is a direct correlation between the increase in violence and the gradual degradation of morals, ethics and parenting. We are cultivating mental illness in our society.

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