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IRS Surrenders: Time For Churches to Get ‘Political’

NoDemocratMathAllowed Wrote: Nov 05, 2012 11:01 AM
And yet you support a party the boos God at their convention. The Church must not sacrifice itself to one party, but a party can take action in line with Church. King George referred to what we call the American Revolution as the Presbyterian Rebellion. And most of Germany's church were docile in Nazi Germany, leaving politics to the politicians.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 05, 2012 12:56 PM
"I watched it LIVE."

So did I. But I'm not relying on my imperfect memory. So I reviewed the tape. You should do the same.
jreinhardt Wrote: Nov 05, 2012 12:28 PM
I watched it LIVE. Let's just vote it out.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 05, 2012 12:07 PM
"When a voice vote was held after they decided to add God and Israel back inot their platform, it took 3 voice votes and each one of them was booed loudly."

Review the tape. It's on youtube. The boos were only at the end and they were obviously due to the fact that the voice vote was nowhere near the 2/3 super-majority. They booed the corrupt process.

"Mayor Villagosi(sp) finally said it passed, but it really did not."

Exactly. And he *should* have been booed. And was.

"You can choose your opinions, but not your facts."

My facts beat yours.
jreinhardt Wrote: Nov 05, 2012 11:40 AM
Yes, they DID! When a voice vote was held after they decided to add God and Israel back inot their platform, it took 3 voice votes and each one of them was booed loudly. Mayor Villagosi(sp) finally said it passed, but it really did not. You can choose your opinions, but not your facts.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 05, 2012 11:30 AM
"And yet you support a party the boos God at their convention."

They did no such thing.

"The Church must not sacrifice itself to one party, but a party can take action in line with Church."

The party can take action in line with Church? The church guides a party now? What does that mean? Where is the individual in all of that? It seems to me that "conservative" Christians want the party/church to swallow them and our country whole.



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