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Mexican Migration May Be Over

Nick705 Wrote: Dec 10, 2012 2:17 PM
So instead of those looking to work, we'll now get the chronically sick (an illegal Hispanic alien just received a kidney transplant, free, at a cost of $130,000 to us schlubs, the taxpayers), those arriving 9 months pregnant, looking to plant anchor babies - instant citizens - here, and criminal gangs likeMS13, who will kill you in a heartbeat (34% of all Federal prison inmates in border states like Arizona are violent felons from Mexico.) Way to go, White House and Congress.
burning Yule logs, etc (sound familiar.) Appalled at this indulgence in the pleasures of the flesh of all varieties, the Christian Church simply stole the festival (as they did others, e.g. Eand told their reluctant flocks "No, no! This was the day when the Redeemer was born," and the whole Bethlehem, Three Wise Men [note, the Bible just says "wise men" - it could have been two, or 37], manger, Star in the East, shepherds, etc. myth began here. Eat, drink and be merry, the Church said, (so as not to lose their entire new congregation) but lay off the screwing a bit, OK, and remember this is the date of Christ's birth, and it's now not called Saturnalia, but Christes Messe. You got a problem with that? We have ways to persuade you.
If the shepherds were tending their flocks that night, but you can bet it wasn't in December. Even in Palestine winters are cold, and the flocks and shepherd would be down in the village for protection against predators and exposure. Early Christians asserted May 20 as his birth date, and every month in the year has been advanced since. As the Church began its campaign to "convert" the pagans in Europe, they found their authority undermined. In an age where life was generally nasty, brutish and short, "eat, drink and be merry" was celebrated at certain times of the year for thousands of years. One of the biggest the ancient pagan festival of Saturnalia, celebrating the passing of the shortest day by decking houses with holly and mistletoe
The only ones frothing are people like Giles and Bill O'Reilly, who want everyone to perpetuate the myth of Dec. 25 being Jesus's birthday. We can be glad that we're not living a few hundred years ago, when they could have appeared on our doorsteps with "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" and dragged us away to the stake. I celebrate the season the same way our forebears did for a thousand years before the Church put its slimy hands on it. There is not a shred of evidence that Christ, if he really existed, was born on Dec. 25, or even in December. The gospels of Matthew and Luke describe his birth, but not when. Nobody has any idea even which season he was born in.
Puritans brought their aversion of Christmas to the New World, making its celebration a crime. In Boston in 1706, a mob attacked a church holding a Christmas service. By state law, in Massachusetts children were required to attend school on Dec. 25, and many ministers condemned the whole idea of Christmas, some calling it a "foreign day." It was not until 1885, when Congress declared Dec. 25 a federal holiday, that it began a renaissance in the US. So, far from the annual lament about "taking Christ out of Christmas" from religious people ignorant of its historical origins, many are simply returning it to its original, pre-Christian, purpose. Eat, drink and be merry, and to hell with the priests and prelates!
The Christian church was appalled at this exhibition of indulgence in the pleasures of the flesh of all varieties, so they simply stole the festival and told their reluctant flocks "No, no! This is the day when the Redeemer was born," and the whole Bethlehem, Three Wise Men [note, the Bible makes no mention of the number, it just says "wise men" - it could have been two, or 37], manger, Star in the East, shepherds, etc. etc. myth began here. Eat, drink and be merry, the Church said, (so as not to lose their entire new congregation) but lay off the screwing a bit, OK, and remember this is the date of Christ's birth, and it's now not called Saturnalia, but Christes Messe. You got a problem with that? (We have ways of making you see the...
born on Dec. 25. The scriptures decribe his birth, but not the date, the month, even the season. If the shepherds were tending their flocks that night it wouldn't have been in December. In winter nights are cold even in Palestine. They and their flocks would have been sheltered in the villages. Early Christians asserted May as his birth month, and various sects have named every month of the year. The early church found that at a time when life was nasty, brutish and short, since ancient times people celebrated the end of December as having pased the shortest day by eating, drinking and making merry. The Romans called it Saturnalia.
I see. And most people who believe in bronze-age myths stolen from pagan folk lore are Republicans? What a load of rubbish. I am an atheist, but I'd never dream of trying the "squash" your belief in the supernatural if it makes you feel better, whether it's Jesus, Mohammad or the Tooth Fairy. It is the religious that want to impose their beliefs on others, including atheists and agnostics. We have to look at your religious dogma and slogans on our currency, and have our kids recite the bit "Under God" slipped into the perfectly good Pledge of Allegience in the 50s by the same religious zealots that want religious symbols, like the creche and the Ten Commandments erected on government property, in violation of the Constitution."Squash...
I see. And most people who believe in bronze-age myths stolen from pagan folk lore are Republicans? What a load of rubbish. I am an atheist, but I'd never dream of trying the "squash" your belief in the supernatural if it makes you feel better, whether it's Jesus, Mohammad or the Tooth Fairy. It is the religious that want to impose their beliefs on others, including atheists and agnostics. We have to look at your religious dogma and slogans on our currency, and have our kids recite the bit "Under God" slipped into the perfectly good Pledge of Allegience in the 50s by the same religious zealots that want religious symbols, like the creche and the Ten Commandments erected on government property, in violation of the Constitution."Squash...
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It's Hard to Be a Republican

Nick705 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 2:28 PM
Single women? He'll give them the "pill" free, & don't forget, Obozo was the only Senator not to vote for a law banning late term abortions - trans: infanticide.) All of them bought the $500 million Dem. vilification campaign to paint a good man, Mitt Romney, as a heartless capitalist who fires people for fun, paid no taxes for 10 years, will destroy Social Security, caused a woman's death from cancer, and more. Obozo's message was what 51% of Americans wanted to hear: You don't need to do anything; the state will take care of you, cradle to grave. We will squeeze the rich [who already pay 50% of federal taxes] harder. George Bernard Shaw wrote: "A government that promises to rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul."
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