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What You Can't Say

NewJAl Wrote: Oct 24, 2012 6:14 AM
You are advancing the very argument that faced them, every day. Until Bible thumping Christian Methodists and Quakers took up the cause, it did not enter anyone's head how unfair it all was except, perhaps, for some slaves. American blacks kept black slaves, but you cannot say that, either. Many of us look in the mirror, every day, thorough hypocrites, and muddle through. We have Arnold 'I'll be back', the beloved Kennedy that let his paramour drown, and many another to be cited. One must assume, from the consternation Dr. Roy shows, that he never finds himself in any hypocritical actions, doing wrong but loving the gain. My assumption is that there is no hypocrisy in Dr. Roy's Life, when he looks in the mirror.
Mr. Right Wrote: Oct 24, 2012 6:38 AM
It's utterly absurd to hold them to a higher standard.

What you must remember is that at the time of the founding, there were absolutely no social safety nets. Had the slaves simply been freed, en masse, they would not have fared well. Washington freed his slaves upon his death. In order for that to be successful, however, he first had to educate them and arrange for them to have a stake with which to get started or a pension of some sort for the older ones. To do less would have been real cruelty.
NewJAl Wrote: Oct 24, 2012 6:33 AM
Just people, unfortunately. Some, having slaves, were wealthy, with enough leisure and education to contemplate the great issues of humanity, in their day. My folks, I imagine, were just trying to stay alive, with few hands to help them get rich, learn Greek and Latin and read the errors of ancient Democracies.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Oct 24, 2012 6:24 AM
Well I'm certainly no angel but then again I don't think it's too far out of line to want to hold founding fathers to a higher standard than the rest of us.
NewJAl Wrote: Oct 24, 2012 6:20 AM
Being able to look down upon frail humans from such a lofty and blessed state would keep one away from Christianity, I think. I am not so blessed and am reprimanded, frequently, by the words of the Bible, for talking the talk but not walking the walk. It will go on, I suppose, my being human. If one must search for heroes, with no small and great hypocrisy, the only one I have found is Christ. The story of the woman brought to him for adultery has profound lessons.
Jon Hubbard, a Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives, has a book, titled "Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative." Among its statements for which Hubbard has been criticized and disavowed by the Republican Party is, "The institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth."

Hubbard's observation reminded me of my 1972 job interview...