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Nevirim Wrote: Oct 18, 2012 8:32 AM
MatthewwolvesAyn: trying to say you're wrong in your conclusion is probably a waste of time and effort. "spending on things the government has no business...etc. is not what you've listed. Taking the money from those programs that were set aside for the elderly and the disabled, was for the benefit of this nation's people. But when those in office have sticky fingers and reapportions funds which were not to be used for their personal pet projects, and other so-called moneymaking enterprises, let alone never paying it back, you can guarantee a "short fall!" And if you keep doing this over and over you create a black hole that no one can get out of. Just like the lie that the "tarp Money" was paid back while a gaping hole of missing funds
MatthewlovesAyn Wrote: Oct 19, 2012 11:02 AM
It couldn't be that an article written by the government is slanted toward bigger government, could it? You can use all the specious arguments and rhetoric you want, but the truth is, Social Security is and always was theft. Another persons need is NOT a claim on my wealth (such as it is). Did the first person to receive it possible pay for the benefits received? No! As for the Civil War veterans, that's another case where the government caused the problem, then solved it by getting bigger and stealing MORE.
Nevirim Wrote: Oct 18, 2012 11:07 PM
The following link is a page regarding the history of SSI and how and why it came into being. http://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html
Before 1937 there were charitable churches just as there today which helped but the grow of this nation and directly related to the Civil War the need for orphans and widows were great and more than churches and organization could support. What happen in the depression was a wake-up call to set something up to assist this nations' elderly. That's was the intent of SSI, not what it's become, or how it's been used.
MatthewlovesAyn Wrote: Oct 18, 2012 11:20 AM
Neverim: Take a gander at this, then present a valid argument.
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/walter-williams-is-secession-the-answer/
MatthewlovesAyn Wrote: Oct 18, 2012 9:56 AM
Nevirim: Back at you. You will never see that all entitlement programs are set up by crooks for their own personal gain. Social security started in 1937. What did the elderly and infirm do for the first 160 years of the republic. It is a ponzi scheme. It was set up as one. It could never be anything else.
As I posted yesterday, the nine scariest words a person can hear, "I'm from the government, and I'm hear to help.
Kate168 Wrote: Oct 18, 2012 8:39 AM
Remember how Bernanke "couldn't recall" where 7 B US dollars disappeared to Euroupe when questioned by Congressional investigation. I'll never forget the smirk on his face.
Nevirim Wrote: Oct 18, 2012 8:35 AM
still exist. Each year we have more people retiring, they paid into SSI all their life and the time is due for this program to pay a little back, but where are the funds? Spent on other Government projects and never accounted for. That's the problem.

In form, President Obama came back strongly in Tuesday's debate with Mitt Romney, but substantively he continues to lag behind the Republican candidate. That's because the president has a record to defend and it isn't a good one.

Television being what it is, the president looked and sounded good, but the air seems to have gone out of his messianic balloon as voters focus more on facts and less on spin.

If promises mean anything -- and they don't to most politicians -- Romney hit the president where it hurts: on his failure to live up to most of his promises.

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