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Jon Stewart and Gene Robinson Strike Out on the Bible and Family

Nevirim Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 9:49 AM
Mark, I want to explain something that may be hard for you and others to understand because what is preached on and taught in "A lot" of churches is predicated on presuppositions that are not supported within the text, and context of scripture. Your evaluation, noting the differences between: to'evah and ta'may and the word used as abomination: sheh'-kets which means "Filth." Up until this point you "Biblical Evaluations" was correct, then your last statement noting the Book of Acts and the vision of Peter. I'm sorry but the issue was not "Food" is was people. Peter was rebuked by Apostle Paul for separating himself from "Gentiles" when the Religious Pharisees were around. Peter would abstain from association and eating with Gentiles to
Nevirim Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:49 AM
obedience towards Yeshua who gave me the Law. Remember the "Law became flesh..." you might take the time to read the last 7 chapters of Ezekiel, please note these chapters are not allegory they will happen to our future when Yeshua returns.
Thank you for your ear, and willingness to share. Have a wonderful Christmas my Brother.
Nevirim Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:45 AM
the rest of the Law that does apply to me is my responsibility to observe. As an example the Covenant of Avraham instituted circumcision as a sign of the covenant. Gentiles were never commanded to be circumcised, But Jew's are. This command was never "ceremonial" in fact it wasn't instituted in the Law of Moses but before this renewed covenant came into being. that being the case when did that end? Yet again, you need to deal with Matthew 5:17-19 and what Yeshua declared about the Law and the Prophets. But know this as well, I am not saved by ANY observance of the Law!!! I am saved by Grace through Yeshua Hu Adonai and his sacrifice for me. But that doesn't mean that I am no longer responsible to live out the Law as a sign of my faith in
Nevirim Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:36 AM
the Pharisees and the religious leaders. There is no separation between Jews and Gentiles regarding them as clean or unclean. So again the issue with Acts 10 was dealing with people not food. If anything the unclean food was an example to Peter from God to see what clean was from His perspective rather than mans. Question? Is there any biblical passage that indicates that either Peter or Paul as Jews stop eating Kosher? This was not as some like to paint it a "Ceremonial Law as apposed to other Laws. God told the Jewish people that these were His Laws and His people were to observe them and do them. Now, I'm not a Priest, and I'm not from the line of Aaron, so the Laws governing the High Priest and the Priesthood can not apply to me, but th
Nevirim Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 1:24 AM
I read you comments thoroughly, to the end, and there are some comments that I am unsure of as you made mentioned. With regards to your usage of Act 10. I appreciate you reconsidering the passage, but again it had nothing to do with eating all kinds of food either Clean or Unclean. It had to do with people. the passages you quoted do deal with food, weaker or stronger brothers and meat offered to idols. But the area that concern me most was you comment about "prohibition on mingling with Gentiles" and associating this with the Law regardless if you call it ceremonial or otherwise. The separation that was happening between Jews and Gentiles was not what
"scripture declared" or the Law declared, this was a "religious aberration" added by
Mark in CA Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 2:54 PM
when the peace and welfare of their fellow Christians require it.
Mark in CA Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 2:51 PM
for the omission of them:

all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not; though things of an indifferent nature may be lawfully used, yet they do not always tend to the edification of others, which should be consulted; and when this is the case, they ought to be disused. This is observed in answer to an objection taken from the doctrine of Christian liberty, allowing the free use of all the creatures, and disengaging men from an observance of the distinction of meats and drinks which the apostle grants; and yet argues from his own example, and the edification of the saints, that this is not always to be closely pursued; but believers should forego what they have a right to use, when the peace and welfare of their fellow...
Mark in CA Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 2:49 PM
All things are lawful for me,.... All sorts of food are lawful to be eaten, every creature of God is good, there is nothing common or unclean in itself, polluted or polluting; and so things offered to idols may be lawfully eaten, but not as such, or in an idol's temple, or before a weak brother; to do which is contrary to the honour of God, and the edification of the saints: and therefore

all things are not expedient; to be done always, and in all places, and before all persons. The apostle suggests, that though they might be lawful to him, and he might make use of his liberty in eating them; yet they might not be expedient, or of service, but on the contrary hurtful to others; and which therefore ought to be judged a sufficient reason f
rmccarthy Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 2:35 PM
And what about "some celebrate this day and some another day as well as some eat this and some eat that"?
rmccarthy Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 2:34 PM
Seems like the scripture about "all things being permissible but not all things being beneficial" might apply somewhere?
Mark in CA Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 2:29 PM
Now, Nevirim, your reply has caused me to reconsider Acts 10:15 in the context of the passages surrounding it as well as verses of Scripture such as Mark 7:19 and others I have cited. The proper interpretation for Acts 10:15 then is that it is a both/and rather than an either/or interpretation. That is, it speaks of the nullification of the Old Testament ceremonial system which includes not only dietary laws but prohibitions on mingling with Gentiles as well.
Mark in CA Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 2:17 PM
Nevirim, Mark 7:18-19 states: “Are you so dull?” he [Jesus] asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)"

Cross references:Mark 7:19 : Ro 14:1-12; Col 2:16; 1Ti 4:3-5Mark 7:19 : S Ac 10:15

If you are telling me that the Old Testament dietary laws are still in play, as you seem to be doing, then I say you are wrong based upon the words of Scripture.
Nevirim Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 10:26 AM
unclean and treating them as nonhuman. If you take the time to study consider the parable of the "Good Samaritan" if you know the background of this argument you'll learn Yeshua was speaking to two rabbinic schools of thought as to what was the Greatest command or Mitzvot before God, Yeshua uses a Samaritan for which in that day was considered a non-human as "a Neighbor" A Brother who did the right thing to the injured man. when he ask the young man who was His neighbor" the young man responded the Samaritan, and Yeshua said go and do likewise, in other words quite treating Samaritans like they are non-human but as brothers.
Nevirim Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 10:18 AM
cont... clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten." This was the command that God gave the people of Israel it has not changed. Note I said Israel, Jewish people, not Gentiles unless they choose to "observe" out of Love and Faith towards the God of Avraham. How do I know this! Matthew 5:17-19 Yeshua declared that "NOT one Yod or a Keter what KJV calls Jot or Tittle shall pass from the Law and the Prophets UNTIL all is Fulfilled! Is there Passages within what many call the Old Testament still to be "fulfilled?" Are we living in the "Age to Come" Has the Prophecies declared in Ezekiel chapters 40-47 happened, the answer is no. Yeshua who is God said No, Peter was rebuked from God for calling Gentiles
Nevirim Wrote: Dec 14, 2012 10:08 AM
appeared acceptable before the "Religious Jews - the Pharisees" that saw the Gentiles as Unclean. The passage in Acts 10:15 point out that what God calls clean in not "Unclean." In Leviticus 11:44-47 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (45) For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy. (46) This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: (47) To make a difference between the unclean and

What happens when Gene Robinson, the country’s first openly gay, Episcopalian bishop, joins Jon Stewart on the Daily Show? You get a mockery of Jesus, a misinterpretation of the Bible, and some real howlers on the meaning of family.

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