A more interesting question might be, how many HUSBANDS did Solomon have?

USMC, that is the point that is being made. Whether you are human life or not does not (or should not) depend on if you are wanted. Other factors should control. If humanity in the womb is determined based upon whether the child is wanted, then how can the killing be murder, if logic is to be considered?

Denise: Is there anything to suggest that had the children NOT been adopted that they would not have become serial murderers or would not have killed their parents? Seems to me that the kinds of situations out of which adoptions usually occur (poor, uneducated mothers/fathers, etc.) is a greater predictor of this sort of criminal behavior than the mere fact of adoption. I'd like to see that data, if it is available, before buying in to your argument.

One element of hypocrisy in the liberal argument is the claim of freedom when the abortion decision is made, followed by the dependency/entitlement argument when the "need" for federal support is claimed. You want freedom, you get freedom. You want dependency? You give up freedom.

And I would say to her: No one is suggesting that we kill any of your children; however, you should not have had any of the ones you knew you could not support when you elected to become pregnant with perhaps as many as 8 additional children. This is a common problem with what are usually liberal arguments. The argument begins after the problem has already arisen. Welfare, universal health care, etc. are defended on the basis of compassion for those in need. Fair enough, but seldom do we hear about how the need could have been avoided in the first place.

The irony is ....delicious.

Arguing that religious beliefs should not control legislation in the US is a valid position, but there are plenty of non-religious types who also find as a matter of secular ethics that a viable human life ought not be taken as a matter of the mother's convenience. Several posts on this thread have not mentioned any faith-based argument against abortion but have expressed views supported by many non-believers as well.

Are you really going to go with that? How is your life any different whether Ev was born or not? I understand you have free speech rights, but are you really ok with being that mean and insulting?

wdvander, you are wrong about Paul. He wrote several letters to several churches during his life-- many of them from prison in Rome prior to his beheading. He did not, as you say, accept money from the communities where he established Christian churches. He earned his own money to support himself. He did move on when either the church was established, so that he could start another one, or when he was thrown out of town by non-believers. I do agree that the Gospel is watered down in many churches to entice new members to join, and yes, to give to the church. I think, in these leaner times, that practice is backfiring. People need the comfort of knowing that God loves them, but also that they have a responsibility in their faith...