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The Stone Truth: Left-Wingers Are Boring

nawlins72 Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 5:46 PM
"If by agree, you mean that after being deprived of use of the commons to earn a living people are forced to earn money by working for for a wage for those who have privet property as a function of force, not work, then yes." Yes, they are "deprived of use of the commons" because the land has become "owned" by individuals who have invested labor into it. Even under your scenario of socialist collective, force is used to prevent others from using the commons in ways the collective disagrees with. If the collective builds a factory to produce X, they can use force to prevent others from expropiating the factory for producing Y or Z.
nawlins72 Wrote: Dec 07, 2012 5:50 PM
"But as Proudhon expands on John Locks labor theory of natural property rights, ownership as a condition of force is theft itself. Both protecting property that is yours via your labor and taking that of others do to their labor, require force."

Further garbled arguments. Force is a necessity for protecting property, as men will attempt to steal property. You don't "protect" your property with labor. You justify your claim of ownership by proving that you have labored for the property, but it doesn't "protect" property. An individual is justified in claiming ownership of property if he obtained said property under voluntary means, either from homesteading or trade.

When, at long last, will people understand that the left is boring?

The question came to mind as I was dipping in and out of Oliver Stone's miasmic 700-plus-page tome. I'll never read the whole thing, and not because it's a left-wing screed full of slimy distortions about the evils of the United States (though that doesn't help). It's that it's boring.

Stone and co-author Peter Kuznick call their book "The Untold History of the United States," except, again, it isn't. This story has been told countless times before. As the Daily Beast's Michael Moynihan notes in a devastating review, Stone...