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'Fiscal' Conservatism Needs 'Social' Conservatism

nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:31 PM
Conservatives, by and large, are NOT against Big Government. They are against Big Government that does not foster their ends. This is the distinction between modern conservatism and liberalism: both are statists simply with different ends.
Donjindra Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 8:21 PM
"Conservatives, by and large, are NOT against Big Government. They are against Big Government that does not foster their ends. This is the distinction between modern conservatism and liberalism: both are statists simply with different ends. "

Exactly.
Stuart95 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 7:04 PM
It's always, "Sure we're against Big Government, except for ...... "

Libertarians have the only consistent opposition to Big Government, i.e government that threatens our economic and social well-being.
wmou Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 7:01 PM
Anybody who supports big govt cannot be a conservative. Big govt republicans are almost as liberal as most democrats and they have controlled the GOP since WWII
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:45 PM
Of course they don't CLAIM to be Big Government, they advocate it, while rationalizing that it's not. Support for the War On Drugs, support for military expansion across the globe, support for military intervention into foreign nations, support for aid to foreign countries, support for more police, support for protectionist policies, ad nauseum.
rmccarthy Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:43 PM
Ahhh, but not all conservatives vote, not all believers go to church and not all progressives beat their wives.
Earl29 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:40 PM
I absolutely disagree with you. If they are not against big government, they are not conservatives, no matter what they call themselves. I have not heard one conservative here say he or she supports big government.
nawlins72 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:39 PM
And yet, the politician requires the private citizenry to vote them into office. The Parties fervently support and campaign for their favored statist.
rmccarthy Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 6:36 PM
There's a huge difference between conservatives of various types but the biggest difference is between the private citizen and the politician...causing much grief and confusion, doom, gloom and misery.
For some years now, we have been told about a major division within American conservatism: fiscal conservatives vs. social conservatives.

This division is hurting conservatism and hurting America -- because the survival of American values depends on both fiscal and social conservatism. Furthermore, the division is logically and morally untenable. A conservative conserves all American values, not just economic ones.

By "social conservatism," I am referring to the second and third components of what I call the American Trinity -- liberty, "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum."

It is worth noting that a similar bifurcation does not exist on the left. One...

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