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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 1:39 PM
Another difference, they actually engage in argument based on actual facts instead of delusional alternate realities where everybody lives in peace and harmony until the CIA gets involved.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 1:37 PM
Typical: Distract from the point by obfuscating the issue with semantics. OK, they are obsessed with one particular conclusion they draw from their libertarian ideological commitments, which have nothing to do with real natural law theory as developed by, I don't know, actual Christian natural law theorists who developed the system.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 1:31 PM
Oh, cool, ignore points that discredit your naive worldview. Burying your head in the sand works wonders for one's safety and survival abilities.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 1:30 PM
Difference: Your argument is built on poisoning the well and use of insults and labels like "neocon," when many of your opponents are anything but neocons. I, for instance, am a good old-fashioned reactionary. The exact opposite of a neocon on the right-wing side of politics.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 1:12 PM
You are naive and delusional if you think other countries will leave us alone if we leave them alone. Open a history book. There are cases of nations attacking other nations on site, just because that's their thing. Ever heard of the Vikings? Yeah, the Franks or Irish Monks weren't exactly mischievous interlopers in Scandinavian affairs when the Vikings decided it was a good idea to ransack the Norman Coast and Lindisfarne. There's also the Mongols, the Huns, and, oh, the Islamic Arabs. What had Byzantium done to Mecca when the Muslims decided it was a good idea to take the Levant and North Africa from them? Approximately nothing! Yeah, we'll just be left alone if we disband our intelligence operations, sure. And I have ocean front property in Arizona I'm looking to sell.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 1:06 PM
I have personal experience as a highly active Ron Paul supporter in a highly active group. While it might be a bit of exaggeration, I assure it is broadly the case in my experience that Liberaltarians are obsessed with drug legalization. Some even act as if you are some kind of goon just for supporting laws on hard drugs, let alone comparatively milder ones like marijuana.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 12:14 PM
I am always amazed by the amount of paranoia from Paulies. I shouldn't be surprised given one of the primary issues for Paulers is pot legalization.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 11:05 AM
Yes, yes he did. He said that the CIA lied about torturing people, and cited Abu Ghraib as an example. I know like all liberals, Paulers have difficulty with reading comprehension, but for those of us who don't, that's rather obvious.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 10:58 AM
Rash conclusions based on half-baked ideological concerns are the sine qua non of the Ron Paul movement.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 10:43 AM
And the idea that there aren't seems like naively optimistic one, to put it mildly.
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Nathan223 Wrote: Jul 29, 2014 10:39 AM
Ron Paul fans: Always ready to insult their opponents and not engage them. No different from the liberalism their movement springs from.
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