"...if the female just felt coerced, though the male didn't actually threaten her or overpower her, that might be rape too" The other examples you noted I agree with but this one above? "Just felt coerced"? How does that happen is he doesnt "actually threaten her oo overpower her"? What then compels her to "feel" coerced?

They have much worse power...they can tax the hell out of me. At least if I'm dead I'm free of their tyranny. We have knuckleheads like NY mayor bloominidiot wanting to tell me I cant buy more than 16 oz of soda in one cup. Killing me is nothing its all the other stuff they can do to me before that which is most troubling

Well said!

agitator writes: "R, so what happened to compassionate conservativism?" Hey agitator can you tell us what possible purpose it serves for obama to trapse these poor parents around as backdrops to his political agenda?

Amen

I am sorry to hear that those incidents dissolved the love you and your wife once had for each other. If there is any way for your marriage to be saved it will be with love. Love leads to forgiveness. The human concscience cannot rationalize those things but God's love can. We can not rely on human conventions to help us resolve these dilemmas. This is precisely the suffereing we experience when we try to make decisions which are only for God to make. Forgive yourselves and each other.

Oh I know but every time one of these pro chociers brings us rape and incest and you ask them that queston the discussion usually falls apart after that

Maybe you're a "ticking time bomb".

SO you equte fetuses to enemy soldiers?

Stop with the "if it were your daughter routine". Thats strictly a play to emotion and is intended to try and shame people. Its not a rational argument. BTW how many abortions are performed annually because of rape or incest?