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Marriage Best Left to Churches

mulbery Wrote: Dec 13, 2012 2:51 PM
First of all I mostly agree, it would be interesting to see that proposal. But know that your parish priest will never be pressured to perform marriages he doesn't want to. Currently, my rabbi won't marry a man and a woman who don't agree, in writing, to raise their kids jewish. Nor would she marry a Mulsim to a Catholic. There's no law that makes any clergy marry anyone if they don't want to.
David3036 Wrote: Dec 13, 2012 5:58 PM
I could, but I don't have them at my fingertips. They are on another computer that is 10 miles from here.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Dec 13, 2012 5:37 PM
Wow, way to fact-check. I believe you, but I suppose I can't ask Kevlar/Cambermeister to document his "facts" without asking if you can give us any web references. Can you?
David3036 Wrote: Dec 13, 2012 4:28 PM
That is a lie. Nobody has asked for churches to be forced to conduct gay marriages or lose their tax exemptions.

The one case that is often cited involves a New Jersey church that supposedly "lost its tax exemption" for not allowing gay marriages in its own facility. But the facility in Ocean Grove was a boardwalk pavilion, for which the church had applied for a property-tax exemption on the basis that it was available for public use. It did not involve tases on the church itself, but only for the pavilion.

The property-tax exemption had been granted through a program for nonprofit organizations that offered facilities for public use. The chuch simply applied for the wrong type of tax exemption, and that was later corrected.
Matthew492 Wrote: Dec 13, 2012 3:10 PM
But there are already demands from homosexuals toremove the tax-exempt standing of any church that does not perform homosexual marriages. Liberals have one goal in mind, total control over everybody else. They want to control what you eat, who your doctor is, what your kids believe, whether you can defend yourself, and what you can do with your money and property. Religion has been a third rail for them for a long time so they haven't touched it. But as they gain more and more control, you are a fool to think they will not try to control the churches. Everywhere liberalism flourishes, churches suffer.
David3036 Wrote: Dec 13, 2012 3:00 PM
The claims that this is a threat are outright lies by the opponents of same-sex marriage. The ONLY thing the voters, the legislators or the courts can change is the legal, civil definition of marriage. They CANNOT change your church's definition of marriage.
FlamingLiberalMultiCulturalist Wrote: Dec 13, 2012 2:55 PM
That's good. I do not know if this kind of coercion is a real threat, I'd like to think that it is not, but many opponents of same-sex marriage have claimed that it is a real threat.

The current conundrum regarding the legalization of same-sex marriage is what happens when church and state are mixed -- the topics become confusing and confused.

When I married my husband almost 15 years ago, I did so out of love and out of a desire to witness before God my commitment to him and his to me. The legal and tax ramifications did not enter into my head.

But for couples of the same sex, the legal and tax ramifications can be very important because their legal rights differ from those of heterosexual couples in a number of ways,...