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The Case Against “Equality”

"Gay" couples can never have natural children. Everyone one of those kids has both a mother and a father and deserves to be raised by both mother and father not to be torn from one parent or the other in order to satisfy selfish adults' desires.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 8:31 PM
What if you and your wife died leaving small children, and you didn't have a will. Would you want two homosexual men or women to get them?
Wandered Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 9:54 AM
All you're telling me is that you buy into primitive stereotypes.
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 9:45 AM
"Same-sex attraction IS normal for them"
"It's as natural for them as opposite-sex attraction is for you"
"Nothing went wrong."
Typical false claims. All you're telling me is that you buy the politically-correct conventional wisdom about homosexuality and haven't actually learned anything about it for yourself.

"for somewhere under 10% of the population"
Try about 2% of the population for those who have same-sex attractions. And 0% for those who have it "naturally."
Wandered Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 9:41 AM
Same-sex attraction IS normal for them and for somewhere under 10% of the population. It's as natural for them as opposite-sex attraction is for you, me, and Tinsldr2. Nothing went wrong.
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 9:40 AM
I believe what I've learned about homosexuality from real life, not you.

I have no doubt the women you know in "long term" relationships use the expected descriptions. It's part of the facade, and part of the fooling themselves they have to do -- and that you would likely see for yourself if you had the chance to see behind the facade, AND knew what to look for.

Same-sex attractions always involve sexualization of an early, unmet need and/or the rejection of the opposite sex. Neither is healthy. Appearances are just that -- appearances.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 9:35 AM
You say two women can not love each other the same way I love my wife. When I look at many of the women I know in long term same sex relationships they are exactly like me and my wife and they describe their love for each other the same way I describe my love for my wife.

So you say it is not but they say it is. I believe them, not you.
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 9:20 AM
"Then We would have full agreement." -- I didn't just say "two-person" because it's missing a key element... no, THE key element.

"If two women are attracted to each other the same way I am to my wife" -- It's not the same way. Same-sex attraction is not natural the way normal attraction is. It's the result of something having gone wrong.

"What about an 80 Year old man that marries his 75 year old Husband" -- That doesn't exactly represent the typical "gay" relationship. No doubt they've developed a friendship of sorts, but it's tainted; there is not the healthy dynamic of a real marriage.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 9:12 AM
"there's something in a lifelong, committed two-gender relationship that is simply not approximated in any other arrangement"

If you had said, "there's something in a lifelong, committed two-person relationship that is simply not approximated in any other arrangement. Then We would have full agreement.

I am attracted to and love Females. I am a male. There is something in my relationship with my wife that is not approximated in any other relationship.

If two women are attracted to each other the same way I am to my wife, why is their relationship different? What about an 80 Year old man that marries his 75 year old Husband that he is living with for 35 years. They say they love each othe rare you saying they lie?
DCM in FL Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 8:47 AM
No, it's not *just* about kids. But in its foundational purpose, it's mainly about kids. Nonetheless, there's something in a lifelong, committed two-gender relationship that is simply not approximated in any other arrangement. If you can't grasp that concept, then it's going to be hard to explain anything about marriage to you.
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Feb 28, 2013 8:44 AM
Lots of couples can't have natural children. If God forbid I die today, after a suitable waiting period I would hope my wife, who is over 50 years old would get married again, she can't have kids anymore and she would not want to adopt.

Currently our child is out of the house and mostly grown. Does that mean we should not be married any longer?

Marriage is simply not about kids.

Pascal said, “People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” So-called marriage “equality” is attractive. Who could be against equality?

But what if the word “equality” is being misused? What if that kind of equality will have the unintended consequence of hurting children, individuals and the nation? And what if everyone already has true equality?

True equality does not conflate people and behavior. People are equal but their behaviors are not. When liberals claim that certain sexual behaviors are equal – or that all outcomes...

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