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Thoughts on Secession

Milt37 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 1:13 PM
For the rest of us, we'll still be here fightting in every election to make the course corrections necessary to get America back on track. Anyone else is not even a true American. Just a spoiled brat and coward who doesn't have the cajones to pick him/herself up and get back into the fight.
GRusling Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 9:36 AM
Simple fact. The State of Texas could close (and seal) its border with Mexico anytime it saw fit, but we choose not to do so because at least half of our citizens have close family in Mexico. In case you haven't noticed, all the MAJOR drug routes out of Mexico run through ARIZONA, not Texas, and there's good reason for that. After you get drugs into Texas, NEXT you have to get them OUT, and that's not as easy as getting them in, which is difficult enough in the first place.

We have more than enough drugs in Texas, but not a lot CROSS Texas! Once you're in our State, you're many, many miles away from getting OUT of our State...
88wrenchman Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 8:08 PM
Just like the Gonzales flag says, if the feds want their cannon, they can just come and take it.

Texas fought and won wars wars before joining the union, and would do fine after secession. The US doesn't have the will to fight just wars, let alone fight for a state that doesn't want to be part of the union anymore, especially if it will hinder the flow of food stamps. By your equation, the redcoats should have defeated the revolutionaries only because they were better equipped. When in reality, their hearts just weren't in it (and ours were).
Keith305 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 4:41 PM
The federal government is its own entity, un-beholden to the people? Who would own the equipment if every state broke away?

As for federal resources needed for securing Texas's boarders from Mexicans, I think they've already proven that isn't needed.
Jack2894 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 4:34 PM
No, the Texans couldn't keep their share. WHy would they be able to steal federal property? Mexican drug lords wouldn't nuke Texas, but they sure would have a field day down on the border with no federal resources over in Texas, don't you think?
Keith305 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 4:25 PM
Your answers to your own questions belie first one hell of a lack of imagination and second, a bizarre flight of fancy. The Texans couldn't keep their share of the military equipment? Mexican drug lords nuke Texas?

Cardinal Hume said there are three types of people. One of which were those who see all the problems but have none of the solutions. Bingo.

Better off sticking to a truncated imagination.

(And by the way, I reply to people in the manner they have replied to others.)
Milt37 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 1:48 PM
Insighting (but not too insightful),

You can equate me to the loyalists back in 1776, but I would have been revolutionary in those days. That was an entirely different situation. If you're the type of person who can't see (or at least worry about) the unintended consequences of states seceding from the Union, then you're not a student of history.

What if Texas if the only state secede, and then Iran sends rockets to the Mexican drug cartels to lob over into Laredo and El Paso? Do you think the US should come to the defense of Texas? Since the US military would have pulled all their jets out of Texas, they have nothing left but ten-gallon hats and six-shooters to defend their new country.
InsightingTruth Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 1:25 PM
Mitt37:

Spoken like a true loyalist. I suppose if you can't have King George, you want "Lord and Savior" Obama to rule over you.
Muh fellah Amurricans -- I reproduce the speech patterns our media correlate with conservative thought -- hit looks like we ain't getting out of this here Union, what with secession not legal, way them educated fellers tell it.

Not legal? Rather a bold statement, I would say. Last time anyone attempted formal withdrawal from the United States, something like 125 years ago, the armaments of the United States blocked the path to independence. The Union endured. But that settled only the practical, not the theoretical, side of the question.

Enough said anyway about the Late Unpleasantness of 1861-65. What...

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