self-inflicted genocide would imply that a mass number of people are committing suicide. in the case of abortion, the baby isn't killing him/herself. The abortion doctor kills him/her. Honestly, this is not that difficult

are you illiterate? Several studies were cited in this article.

I get it. It's funny, because it shows that you have the IQ of a pile of rocks.

If only there were a system in place for these people whereby they could input money, and - in the event of medical emergencies (such as responding to the 9-11 terror attacks) they would receive medical care. We could call this system "insurance". And if only there were groups that could be responsible for providing such "insurance" to these peoeple (fire fighters, police officers, other governmental officials, etc). We could call these groups "Unions". One can dream...

Do you find this statement offensive?

"Barack Obama should have been aborted"

As a pro-life person, I would find the above statement offensive as it would mean that an unborn child would have been put to death.

However, if you are pro-choice, you couldn't find that statement offensive, or even wrong in any way, since it would have been Barry's mom's "choice" whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.

You can't have it both ways

I must respectfully disagree. There has been plenty of ridicule pointed at the Jonas brothers for Perez Hilton and the likes regarding this issue. I certainly don't mean to imply that Perez Hilton speaks for all liberals (at least I would hope the left wouldn't endorse such a thing). But you get the idea. Certainly it doesn't happen everyday. However, it does come up from time to time and it is rather sick.

As to the effectiveness of the strategy - that is another argument altogether. Abstinance, afterall is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy and STD transmission. The only thing is that you actually have to do it. So, the argument against it is like saying you shouldnt tell people not to steal things, because there will still...

A) There are many pro-life people who have no religious affiliation. Futhermore, there are many religious people who are pro-choice. Therefore, your argument about pro-lifers trying to push their religion onto others is meaningless.

B) It is never "too late" to enact laws just because people are "used to the way things are". People were accustomed to segregation at one point. Before that, people were accostomed to slavery. Again, this argument is meaningless.

C) You do not have the right to kill someone in this country (murder is illegal). Therefore, as pro-lifers believe that abortion is murder (and you would have a tough time proving otherwise), then it is not out of line to suggest that there should be laws that...

I am aware that there is a tendency from those on the left to ridicule virgins, chastity, etc. But really, what is the point? Aren't they supposed to be pro-choice? So, if someone's choice is to refrain from sexual activity, should they not be allowed to do this? This need to assault abstinence makes absolutely no sense. If you are pro-choice and you ridicule chastity - you are a fraud.

At this point I think we have reached a certain level of agreement. I can certainly not make the case that every single instance of abortion is a matter of convenience. Furthermore - I frankly don't care what the motivation is. The only conceivable defense for any form of killing (that I can think of) would be the saving another's life. However, even in these cases, you would have to acknowledge that you are destroying an innocent life. Therefore, making an anology to killing someone out of self defense would not be appropriate - as an unborn child is not the same as an armed gunman (for example). Therefore, the whole "convenience" issue really has no bearing on the abortion question.

You say "As for the individual rights argument, your bat analogy misses the intertwining. What the mother eats, the baby eats. If the mother dies, the baby dies unless it is viable and can be removed in time. If the baby dies and no action is taken the mother can die. No, pregnancy is the most unique human condition ever for two distinct individuals. The mother may be pregnant, but it is still ultimately her choice to give birth."

Women don't choose to give birth. That is what happens after they choose to have sex and subsequently get pregnant. The pregnancy is merely the result of her past choices. Now, where the government steps in (or, as a pro-life person would argue, where the govt should step in) is in preventing the mother...