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All My Exes Live in Texas

mike1592 Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 10:30 AM
His argument boils down to its "...wrong because it violated the laws of God...". I wonder if he is ok with that same argument when the Taliban makes it.
44thWhitePrez Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 11:02 AM
Another of God's laws was to not murder. So you'd be just peachy with someone introducing you to the business end of a .45?
WestTexan Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 11:08 AM
and your point? I'd have no problem introducing a burglar to the business end of a .45. It would not be "murder", it may end up as a killing if the burglar cannot follow instructions.
44thWhitePrez Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 11:55 AM
But why does it have to be just a burglar? Why can't it be anyone? Apparently mike1592 thinks a law is meaningless if it is "God's law". If one of God's laws is meaningless just because it is God's, then they are all meaningless.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 10:58 AM
Only, the Taliban doesn't make that argument. Orthodox Islam is rife with exceptions for immoral behavior - something you don't find in biblical Christianity.

The 9-11 terrorists were given Carte Blanche to engage in the rankest immoral sexual behavior the night before the attacks, with the blessing of their clergy.
McGovern Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 10:52 AM
And your argument is just as silly.

Since you must think the "laws of God" don't apply, I assume you think it's OK for a teacher to have sex with students, even though they may be of legal age?
Thomas2124 Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 11:02 AM
And another strawman swings and misses...
p18 Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 11:04 AM
I guess the "we" in there was a little confusing: it was intended more as the royal we than as identifying with his position. My point was to point out the weakness of the argument mike made. My personal position is this: if there is no standard outside man to judge values by, then what makes anyone else's values better or worse? We need "the laws of God" if for no other reason than that.
nawlins72 Wrote: Aug 22, 2012 6:00 AM
The idea that morals are just edicts from God is an appeal to authority. By such arguments a moral proposition doesn't have to be logically justified just commanded by God. If God says its good to kick old ladies in the head for fun then regardless of how unreasonable this claim is it must be so. The most fundamental moral principles are easily reasoned but sadly most hate to think and would rather be told what to do.
p18 Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 10:52 AM
That comes from the sophistry that "all religions are the same." Which is like saying all secularists are murdering atheists like Stalin or Pol Pot. I think we can make more sophisticated arguments than that.
Thomas2124 Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 11:01 AM
Nice strawman you put up there!
p18 Wrote: Aug 21, 2012 11:14 AM
See my post below. I was using absurdity to point out the absurdity of Mike's comment.
A former Texas high school teacher was convicted of multiple felonies after having sex with five 18-year-old students at her home. The conviction was a victory for the prosecution but it was a setback for the feminist movement. It was also a setback for the homosexual uncivil rights movement, which seeks unlimited authority to redefine relationships among consenting adults.

Brittni Nicole Colleps, 28, of Arlington, was found guilty of 16 counts of having an inappropriate relationship between a student and teacher. In Texas, this second-degree felony is punishable by two to 20 years in prison per count. Because none...