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The Fallacy of Redistribution

Mike1053 Wrote: Sep 20, 2012 3:12 PM
People redistribute wealth everyday without directive from the government. Everything from Goodwill donations to soup kitchens to food pantries to parochial missions. The idea that the less fortunate would be left to rot in the streets by themselves without government mandated redistribution is something liberals want and need people to believe. Any liberals who think wealthy Americans are mean-spirited capitalists should go look up how much was donated privately by Americans, in cash, to victims of the Haiti earthquake or Indonesia tsunami, or Hurricane Katrina in this country. Amazingly we redistributed our own wealth to help the unfortunate without anyone telling us to.
fbear163 Wrote: Sep 20, 2012 3:28 PM
OK, but is state welfare not more organised. I mean, if you weren't to be taxed and we were to rely on goodwill, would adequate medical resources be there for families who can't afford it.

I'm English btw, just interested in your politics. I'm a pragmatic realist, neither conservative nor liberal.
Navy-baby Wrote: Sep 20, 2012 4:06 PM
Whenever a "donated" dollar changes hands and a portion of it is given to each handler, its value is correspondingly decreased. Our tax dollars are sent to the government, repackaged and sent out to an agency, then given to a department which actually purchaes the "goods to be redistributed," then (perhaps) finally makes its way to the "needy." Countless people are needed to transfer that initially donated dollar.

How much more efficient and effective is my (willing) donation to the "poor box" at my church, which goes directly to the person in need--for whatever is most-necessary whether it be food, medicine, rent, or gas?
dahni Wrote: Sep 20, 2012 4:19 PM
I think maybe you're neither pragmatic, nor a realist, whatever those mean to you. Your philosophical position is pretty clear though when you ask where the medial resources are for families who can't afford it? Maybe they should get a job? And save some money for when they need it instead of driving the expensive car or living in high cost housing, etc.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Sep 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Without question there would be adequate medical resources. The programs you suggest to provide it (state welfare) actually curtail its availability.
The recently discovered tape on which Barack Obama said back in 1998 that he believes in redistribution is not really news. He said the same thing to Joe the Plumber four years ago. But the surfacing of this tape may serve a useful purpose if it gets people to thinking about what the consequences of redistribution are.

Those who talk glibly about redistribution often act as if people are just inert objects that can be placed here and there, like pieces on a chess board, to carry out some grand design. But if human beings have their own responses to government policies,...