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Teachers’ Union Expelled from School District

Michael's Mind Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 4:59 PM
Getting rid of sorry teachers benefits so many: Principals. What boss doesn't want to trade bad apples for good? Teachers. Who likes to work longer hours so that your lazy peers can leave at 3:05? Parents. We can dream again of having educated kids become self-sufficient adults who can move out and stay out before age 33 Students. We're not the idiots. We didn't hire these lazy loosers in the 1st place. Tax Payers. Do we really get to lower our taxes? Government. Because of smarter citizens; We get to lower taxes, promote job and business growth, which in turn produces more government revenue from all the private spending because of all the jobs
mary anne24 Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 5:42 PM
As a teacher I have to clarify the hours issue....I begin work at 7:30am. It is nice to finish at 3:20pm but I beginning 1 1/2 hours earlier than most, And...I bring home work nightly...at least an hour or so planning for the next day and grading etc. Summer's off is also great...but we are paid for 10 months..It's just paid out over 12 months.
Alan176 Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 5:56 PM
Married to a third grade teacher. She worked much harder than I did as a nurse in surgery. In before the kids arrive and not home until well after. Papers to correct, grades to be entered. No time to do that stuff when kids are in school. Sure, she got holidays and summers. Imagine this in your own job... Teachers can't just leave the room and take that 15 min break that most states mandate. you know the law that says an employee gets a lunch and two 15 min breaks? She got a half hour lunch and that's it. So, there you are at your job. You go in at 7:30 and NEVER leave your desk-cubicle-whatever for the next 5 hrs. you get 30 mins to take care of lunch & personal business and repeat it for the afternoon.
mforti Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 5:58 PM
Mary Anne24,

I have some news for you. We're ALL getting awfully sick of you folks whining about how hard it is and how little you're paid. Fact is, we ALL work long hours, but most of us don't work only 180 days a year and enjoy 185 days off. There's now MILLIONS of unemployed, college educated people who would take your cushy job and all its benefits in a split second.

Your union is the ONLY thing keeping those flood gates closed, and we're ALL in the mood to bust those unions wide open and take over your 'hard' jobs. So either you suck it up, stop whining, and start working like the rest of us, or go and find something else to do. There's NO MORE FREE RIDES!
lemmi Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 6:07 PM
I understand teachers being thin skinned and defensive, but there are two problems, one is bad teachers, they do exist, they give good teachers a bad reputation, good teachers need to unite to get rid of them, two is unrealistic benefits garnered by many unions and if I may add a third, the school system is too heavy at the top, administrative cost are out of control and if I may add a forth much of the teaching material is slanted to the left.
Ann272 Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 6:48 PM
Correct. The head of a local community B.o.c.e.s. here makes over $400,000 a year. His background is a B.S. in Eduction. and years working in the system. The texts of the school books are frequently rewritten to be politially correct=I was an English teacher and can assure you most high school students are no longer very well read, but their thumbs are incredibly apt at texting.
Ernest fm AR Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 7:50 PM
Alan176, NO teacher has 5 hours of classes in the morning AND in the afternoon. Every teacher gets one of 6 periods every day as a prep hour, in addition to lunch. They also have whatever time between classes exists (in our school district, it's 6 minutes).
westriversd Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 7:57 PM
Salaried employees have laws mandating when they get breaks in administrative type jobs? Maybe teachers would be better off with an hourly wage and then they could just clock in and clock out after 8 hours. Anything over 40 would be overtime. Why don't teachers ask for this, most union "workers" are paid by the hour. I really don't know how, in this day and age of enlightment our schools can be such sweat shops.
mary anne24 Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 8:38 PM
You are directing your anger at the wrong person. I happen to love teaching but I don't support the union which I am forced to join and the dues I am forced to pay. I worked on Wall Street 10 years before quitting and taking a big pay cut. I weighed the pros and cons but teaching is not the picnic you think it is. I love my job even though I am surrounded by liberals. Be happy here there those like me in teaching. I often say here on TH that if all kids had a teacher like me in 20 years you'd see a difference...They'd all be conservative. I do my best!
mary anne24 Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 8:39 PM
Forgot about that...Can't go to the bathroom often for 5 hours! Thanks Alan!
mary anne24 Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 8:40 PM
You are directing your anger at the wrong person. I happen to love teaching but I don't support the union which I am forced to join and the dues I am forced to pay. I worked on Wall Street 10 years before quitting and taking a big pay cut. I weighed the pros and cons but teaching is not the picnic you think it is. I love my job even though I am surrounded by liberals. Be happy here there those like me in teaching. I often say here on TH that if all kids had a teacher like me in 20 years you'd see a difference...They'd all be conservative. I do my best! P.S I am not complaining about the pay, but it is limited.
arvamus Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 12:50 AM
Sorry, your picture of a poor teacher chained to her desk slaving away is just laughable. In our school district, teachers spend only 4 hours a day in the classroom. They have shirked all supervisory duties including the lunchroom for which extra people have to be hired. So the other 3 hours of their short 7 hour or less school day are available for a leisurely lunch, lesson planning, marking or those calls that most parents never receive but teachers always claim they make. If they choose to chatter in the teachers' lounge instead and take work home, they'd have to mark for an hour before getting up to everyone else's 8 hour day, so cry me a river.
arvamus Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 12:56 AM
There are a few good teachers left who act like professionals (and every student and parent knows who they are). There a few bad teachers who should be fired, not passed around to other schools. The vast majority of teachers are now just mediocre union workers. Unions advance the mediocre, protect the bad and discourage the excellent. Unions are therefore a very bad fit for education. As teachers' hours of work have shortened, wages and benefits fattened, student results on international testing have become an embarrassment. The education industry is run for the employees, not clients, students, parents or the community.
Rochesternative Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 2:50 AM
Additionally, not only are the administratve costs out of control, but the control of the central office buercrats make actually TEACHING more difficult as they tell you not just the WHAT of t eaching but the HOW.
Rochesternative Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 2:54 AM
It's entirely p ossible that Alan's wife is an elementary school teacher, in which case there is no time between classes...the class is all morning/all afternoon except for the planning period. (which depending on the district, may only happen 3-4 times a week as the teacher may also be teaching music or art in the classroom)
Rochesternative Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 3:02 AM
The ELEMENTARY teachers spend only 4 hours a day in the classroom? Somehow I have a hard time visualizing that.. Besides in business/industry how many people do you know that supervise 22-25 employees that have to show improvement and increased knowledge each week? How many of those employees (in industry) go beyond the "passive/aggressive" to downright disruptive to the ENTIRE work setting?
Michael's Mind Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 2:07 PM
The free loaders are the loser parents that do nothing to raise their kids but ship them to school and let the teachers do the raising.
They feed them, and sometimes even cloth them because their loser parents won't. So stop your bitching mforti, and you go feed and cloth a kid, or push your government to force the parents to do so. That's not the schools job.
Rochesternative Wrote: Jul 07, 2012 9:51 PM
I don't know about you, but I always do general prep for the year; plan big projects etc over the summer.
mary anne24 Wrote: Jul 08, 2012 11:28 PM
I think your picture is wrong. I don't know any teacher that just works 4 hours a day and can goof off for the other 3. You sound like a hater, maybe you should become a teacher and see just how easy a job it is.
lemmi Wrote: Jul 06, 2012 5:23 PM
Lets not just get rid of bad teachers also layers of unnecessary bureaucrats and books written by leftist morons

The trouble with education in this country starts and ends with unions. They are out-of- touch museum relics, fitting for a day that used rotary presses to distribute the news, but wildly inappropriate for an age that‘s both wired and wireless.

Unions have prevented, and continue to prevent, much-needed reforms in education, public finance and government. They cultivate a sense of entitlement wholly out of order for the times, which call for more self-reliance and entrepreneurship.

Frankly, unions suck.

Really.

They suck the money out of our wallets; they suck productivity out of workers; and suck up all the leavings from the...