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Michael610 Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 7:45 AM
I don't understand how this plan is so bad.
Michael610 Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 7:50 AM
Case 3: You and your family do not have an insurance plan AND do not qualify through an employer.
Case 3b: You earn above 88k for a family of four.
Outcome option one: You get insurance, no subsidies. Can switch anytime.
Outcome option two: You do not get a plan. You pay the 1% income "tax" penalty AND RETAIN THE PRIVILEGE of jumping into the healthcare system anytime. You cannot be denied.
Buck O Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 9:47 AM
And just who's paying for all this "free" stuff, idiot?
Michael610 Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 7:49 AM
Case 3: You and your family do not have an insurance plan AND do not qualify through an employer.
Case 3a: You earn below 88k for a family of four.
Outcome option one: You buy a heavily subsidized private plan. Can switch anytime.
Outcome option two: You do not get a plan. You pay the 1% income "tax" penalty AND RETAIN THE PRIVILEGE of jumping into the healthcare system anytime. You cannot be denied.
Michael610 Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 7:47 AM
Case 2: You and your family currently have an individual insurance plan.
Case 2b: Your income exceeds 400% the federal poverty limit (88k for a family of 4). Nothing happens to your premiums (unless your plan didn't meet the minimum standard, rare). There are no more lifetime caps on coverage. You cannot be dropped due to illness. You can switch anytime.
Michael610 Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 7:46 AM
Case 2: You and your family currently have an individual insurance plan.
Case 2a: Your income is below 400% the federal poverty level (88k for a family of 4)
Outcome: Your plan becomes government subsidized. Your insurer may never drop you if you get sick (FYI, happens to nearly 100% of people on individual plans when they receive a major diagnosis, which is why this provision is in here.). You can switch insurers anytime because of the ban on discrimination vis a vis preexisting conditions.
Michael610 Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 7:46 AM
Case 1: You and your family have an insurance plan through work.
Outcome: Your employer gets a larger tax subsidy for the plan. This may or may not increase your income.

8411c Wrote: Jun 29, 2012 8:17 AM
You throw around the word "subsidy" like the money's free. It's not. The taxpayers pay for "subsidy". Other people's money. Get it?

How about the government just get the hell out of the insurance business, hmmm? How about the government allow purchases across state lines as well as addressing tort reform? That costs the taxpayers nothing. But that wouldn't do, would it? Hell, that would force the Feds to find some other way to spend all that extra money, wouldn't it?

I'm sick of the Feds, both parties, and the whole charade called politics. I think the Several States should secede, and we'll take our Constitution with us, thank you very much. See how long the liberals last in their precious utopia without taxpayers to foot the bills.

The verdict is in, and it's a major disappointment to Obamacare opponents.  CNN initially reported that the individual mandate had been struck down under the Commerce Clause, then corrected its reporting: Obamacare has been upheld as a tax.  It looks like Obamacare's Medicaid expansion has been limited, but not struck down.  Chief Justice Roberts has reportedly joined the Left flank of the Court, authoring the decision (the key bits are on pages 31, 32). 

Confirmed:  The decision was 5-4, with Justices Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito dissenting. According to SCOTUS blog, the four dissenters were prepared to strike...

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