Yes, I agree the UMC has staved off momentum towards the hard Left. It is my understanding delegates (especially from Africa) participate and vote at General Conference and continually stymie efforts by the liberal US leadership (but I'll bet there are more than a few American UMC leaders who want to change this somehow). Unfortunately, our conservative African Presbyterians have no vote in our US General Assemblies. I am familiar with Mark Tooley and his good work. I believe there is hope for the United Methodist Church. The Presbyterian Church (USA) and The Episcopal Church (USA) are apostate and now beyond hope (they are reaping what they have sown).

Be assured I will not remain in an apostate church.

Correct. The local Presbytery (i.e. Diocese) must dismiss the congregation and it almost always takes a very large sum of money to buy a way out. Some churches try and fight it out legally, but this is risky if courts do not employ neutral principles of law. In my state, Georgia, our Supreme Court decided the denomination can set its own rules even though my congregation, which is older than the denomination, never agreed to this. At least we can pay our way out if necessary. The Episcopal Church won't even negotiate with local churches and has spent tens of millions of dollars in legal fees to block them from withdrawing with their property.

I wish I were kidding. Of course I can leave anytime as an individual, but the PC(USA) has erroneously declared each individual congregation holds its own property in trust for the whole denomination. While some courts have ruled against this, others including my state have sided with the denomination. I prefer, for the moment, to stay and fight this out rather than surrender what all our forbears built. At the end of the day, though, a church is about more than brick and mortar.

Dennis, the Church of Scotland is just as worthless as her American sister, the Presbyterian Church (USA). Sadly, my congregation is affiliated with this despicable denomination and we are exploring avenues for withdrawal (it can be a complicated and expensive process). For many years the PC(USA) has been conducting a campaign accusing Israel of aparheid and urging divestment in any company doing business in Israel. Of course the PC(USA), like the Church of Scotland and every "mainline" American denomination (Episcopal Church USA, Evangelical Lutheran Church, United Methodist Church, United Church of Christ), is hard Left politically and theologically and each loses tens of thousands of members a year. I believe "replacement theology" is the term they use for rewriting the Bible and marginalizing Israel and Jews. Thankfully many faithful Christians in these awful mainline denominations are voting with their feet and leaving for Bible believing bodies.

Nothing personal against the Bush family, but I sure hope we are done with them for the presidency. They are not particularly conservative and are most definitely part of the establishment. If we go this route again then the Democrats will keep winning.