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The "God-Particle" and God

Michael1872 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 10:06 AM
The line "honest atheists recognize that a godless world means a meaningless one" simply indicates that Prager is, like many Christians, completely patronizing towards atheists and doesn't even realize what a rude fool he is being. Try taking the word "God" from this article and replacing it with "Allah", "Buddha", "Vishnu", "Zeus", or any of the many other deities that humanity has worshipped over the world and centuries -- and now it sounds pretty rude to Christians, doesn't it? Mr. Prager, please, leave science to the scientists, and take your Christian proselytizing and apologetics back to your church.
Seventeen76 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 10:19 AM
"...take your Christian proselytizing and apologetics back to your church."

Uh... Michael, I think you have to be a Christian to do "Christian proselytizing." Prager's no Christian.
EMTMatt Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 10:44 AM
So explain to me Michael why murder is wrong objectively in a world where we are animals and there are no rules set by a higher power. If we are merely animals than we are creatures of instinct and there is no morally concrete right and wrong. An atheist who views themselves as moral is either lying to themselves or is simply not grasping the concept. Morality is a function of religion and without a deity murdering another human is no more morally repugnant than any other animal fighting over a scrap of food or territory. Argue THAT point which is the one no atheist will touch.
Michael1872 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 10:53 AM
You are confusing "moral" with "meaningful". Does being "moral", as defined by the codes of your religion, provide your life with meaning? You may be right that morality cannot be objectively defined (I can't do it, so I'll give you that point) - but that does not mean that it requires a religion or a deity to define it subjectively. Anyone could just as easily define morality as, for example, "murder is wrong on Thursdays" or "murder is wrong unless you are murdering an infidel / rapist / Yankees' fan / whatever". That morality could be based on anything; no religion / deity required.

Similarly, perhaps some people believe life would be meaningless without God. I disagree - my life is plenty meaningful to me.
Anonymous15620 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 12:37 PM
Some theists say that ethics cannot do without religion because the very meaning of 'good' is nothing other than 'what God approves'. Plato refuted a similar claim more than two thousand years ago by arguing that if the gods approve of some actions it must be because those actions are good, in which case it cannot be the gods' approval that makes them good. The alternative view makes divine approval entirely arbitrary: if the gods had happened to approve of torture and disapprove of helping our neighbors, torture would have been good and helping our neighbors bad. Some modern theists have attempted to extricate themselves from this type of dilemma by maintaining that God is good and so could not possibly approve of torture; but these theist
Anonymous15620 Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 12:38 PM
but these theists are caught in a trap of their own making, for what can they possibly mean by the assertion that God is good? That God is approved of by God?
Tacitus X Wrote: Jul 10, 2012 1:35 PM
Easily handled: for humans the objective basis of morality is necessarily human life. That's why murder is regarded as wrong in all cultures. Claiming murder is immoral simply because the Bible says so is no basis for morality. If the Bible said nothing about murder would you feel free to start slaughtering your neighbors? You really don't see why that might be a problem?
They found the "God-Particle."

That was the headline in many of America's news media. It turns out that the name actually derives from substituting "God-particle" for "goddamn particle," the original name some scientists had given the elusive particle. But the media adopted the former nomenclature.


Because otherwise, the bulk of humanity would not pay attention. Physicists went nuts. And no one can blame them. For decades, they have searched for the particle that may explain why there is any mass in the universe. And ten billion dollars were spent on the machine that probably proved its existence.

It is therefore not meant in...

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