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My Papers? No Thank You

Merry Colin in Arizona Wrote: Apr 27, 2012 2:51 PM
No ---- AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN! Do you people not know how to READ? You CANNOT get a driver license in AZ unless you are a LEGAL citizen. The cops will know immediately when you give your driver license which is required of ALL drivers. Nothing new here people. So many have opinions about something they know little or nothing about!
Merry Colin in Arizona Wrote: Apr 28, 2012 11:56 PM
Faux outrage? Whaddaya nuts?

1) see below--- any driver license or govt issued ID will do
2) Yes, you must be a LEGAL citizen to get a DL. Never said different; a person with a green card can get a DL because he is a defacto citizen who must use the roads.
3) SCOTUS just gave EVERY PD in the US to demand ID from everyone in a vehicle upon a lawful stop. We can debate "lawful" stops but that has nothing to do with SB1070. Go complain to SCOTUS---AZ ain't your problem.
Michael1364 Wrote: Apr 27, 2012 3:46 PM
Stop with the stupdity please. Arizona is a sovereign state. It has the legal obligation to protect its borders. If you don't like the law, vote the lawmakers out. If you don't live there, or can't vote them out if you do live there MOVE
ca7 Wrote: Apr 27, 2012 3:25 PM
Regarding SB 1070:

"A person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides to law enforcement (1) a valid Arizona driver's license or nonoperating identification license, (2) a valid tribal identification, or (3) a valid United States, state, or local government-issued identification that requires lawful presence before issuance."

So how should the police deal with SB 1070 in this circumstance: I'm a hispanic U.S. citizen walking down the street and I'm stopped by the police for jaywalking and they ask me for identification that I'm not legally required to carry so I'm not carrying any of the 3 types of documents outlined above. Should they assume I'm an illegal immigrant? Why?
ca7 Wrote: Apr 27, 2012 3:19 PM
Please knock it off with the faux outrage.

1. You do realize that people with driver licenses from other places can drive in Arizona, right? An AZ driver license is NOT required to drive in Arizona.

2. You don't have to be a citizen to get an AZ driver license, though you have to be at least a legal immigrant.

3. What if you're not the driver of the car but they suspect you? If you are a citizen but not driving a car you don't need a drivers license. What if the lawful stop is not of a person in a car but a pedestrian? From the law:

"Requires law enforcement, in making a lawful stop, detention, or arrest for another law, to make a reasonable attempt to determine the person's immigration status where reasonable suspicion exists..."

With the Supreme Court taking up Arizona's "show me your papers" immigration law, we're once again thrust into a useful debate over the role of the government and the obligations of the citizen -- and non-citizen. Rather than come at it from the usual angle, I thought I'd try something different.

If there were one thing I could impress upon people about the nature of the state, it's that governments by their very nature want to make their citizens "legible."

I borrow that word from James C. Scott, whose book "Seeing Like a State" left a lasting impression on me. Scott...