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The Malicious Mangling of the Virgin Mary

McGovern Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:40 PM
I know this will not convince anyone, but .... Almost every historian accepts as fact that the Punic Wars were historical events. Why? Our knowledge of the Punic Wars (and that they even took place) is based on ten, and only ten, supporting historical documents. The New Testament is supported by over 24,000 historical documents outside of the Bible. For atheists, this argument means nothing. For believers, it also means nothing. For us believers, we base our beliefs on our faith in Jesus Christ and His influence in our lives, not on historical documents.
Andy372 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 1:00 PM
Actually, it's only a couple of hundred from the first 2 centuries... Oh wait, that's only 20x as many as the Punic Wars.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 3:07 PM
"Actually, it's only a couple of hundred from the first 2 centuries..."

List a few.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:46 PM
I did a quick Google search of "24,000 historical documents outside of the bible" and I think you missed a key point. Those 24,000 documents are just the number of manuscript copies of the bible. They're not historical documents relating to the bible. They ARE the bible. And that's understandable because after the bible was canonized, a massive amount of copies were ordered and distributed by the Roman Empire. But just having more copies of the bible don't make it more valid.
McGovern Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:55 PM
You are correct. It was my mistake by claiming they are "outside" of the Bible documents.

Sorry.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:43 PM
"The New Testament is supported by over 24,000 historical documents outside of the Bible."

False.
ReddestNeck Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:47 PM
It might be only 23,999, but you are surely willfully missing the point that various events, various places, spoken of in those inspired books have been independently echoed outside of them.
Donjindra Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 3:05 PM
"It might be only 23,999,"

List 10. In fact, list 1.
A Christian can be crushed gazing at the picture of Mary standing at the foot of the cross, watching her beloved son suffocate and die. But in that vision, she stands there for hours, patiently enduring her suffering. For two millennia, she has been a role model for Christians, a woman who practiced obedience in the most difficult of human circumstances, with fervent hope for what this sacrifice will offer all mankind as it struggles with sin.

This is why it seems so hard to reflect that vision of patience when black-hearted "artists" practice character assassination on the Blessed Virgin...