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Clarifying America's Gun Culture

mastergunny Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 12:52 PM
Let's see...2 percent of Americans are already in jail. Another 2 to 4 percent have either been released or on on parole. The percentage of crooks not yet caught is legion yet we still debate the pros and cons of guns? The problem is a violence prone culture and a weak justice system. Our "scientists" have convinced us that capitol punishment is not a deterrent and that violence in movies is benign yet the USA is as violent as Zimbabwe.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:23 PM
gunny,

"the USA is as violent as Zimbabwe."

The murder rate in the U.S. is 5.22 per 100,000. The murder rate in Zimbabwe is 34.3. And Zimbabwe has the death penalty. Your theory needs more work. And more facts.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 2:31 PM
"has the death penalty",but HOW is it APPLIED? is the DP applied consistently and fairly?
I doubt it.

the US certainly does not apply the DP consistently or fairly.
Thus,as leftists/"progressives" intended,it's not as effective as it would be if applied properly.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 2:53 PM
Jay,

If the death penalty in and of itself were a deterrent, Zimbabwe would not have a murder rate 6.6 times as great as ours.

The death penalty is not applied "consistently or fairly" anywhere. Never has been. That's one of several reasons to dump it and go with life-without-parole.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:22 PM
If the penalty were swift and certain, there would be a reduction and IF everyone had the right of concealed carry it would also be much lower. The "Wild West" was NOT wild except in the minds of leftist movie studios.
The Liberal Mind vs Facts Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 12:59 PM
Gunny, one thing I do know is that no executed murderer has ever committed another crime. Sounds like a deterrent to me.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:08 PM
Lib Mind,

If the death penalty deterred murder, Texas would be the safest place in the country. But, of the 15 states without the death penalty, only two, New Mexico and Michigan, have a higher murder rate than Texas.
Ron-CA Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:17 PM
You need to learn the difference between causation and correlation.
Ron-CA Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:17 PM
the above is directed to eric...
EmeraldCoaster Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:18 PM
I don’t think the death penalty is an effective deterrent; however, I’ll concede the rate of recidivism is zero for executed convicts.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:27 PM
Ron,

Your comment would better be directed at Lib Mind who believes the death penalty deters murder. By so stating, he's asserting that the death penalty "causes" murders to decrease. The problem is, he can establish neither causation nor correlation for his argument.
The Liberal Mind vs Facts Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:38 PM
Eric, your reading comprehension sucks. Where did I say the death penalty reduces murder? I said basically it reduces recidivism. You are the idiot that inferred, wrongly I might add, that I said it causes murders to decrease. It's that liberal mind you have.
The Liberal Mind vs Facts Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:45 PM
Your stats are wrong Eric.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRalpha
ericynot Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:54 PM
Lib,

You referred to the death penalty as a deterrent (meaning that it prevents some murders from happening, thus reducing the number of murders that otherwise would happen). It is not.

If you'd studied criminal behavior, you'd know that murder, unlike burglary, robbery, and other such crimes, is not typically a repeated crime. In other words, despite TV shows portraying scary serial killers, murder is usually a one-time crime of passion (often aided by alcohol). There is no evidence that the death penalty deters such crime.

My reading comprehension is fine. But your logic is questionable.
Hunrodr Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 1:58 PM
he's always been that way....he turns what he reads into what HE thinks you're trying to say....and being a freakin liberal imagines we're all part of the establishment.
mastergunny Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 2:16 PM
Typical liberal mindset. The ranking is meaningless (besides being inaccurate) because it tries to correlate two dissimiliar realities. We can never know how many would-be murdrers controlled their passions and did not commit murder nor can we accurately determine what might have happened if everyone was armed. One thing is for sure, when people stop respecting the law then a sane populace will enact measures so that criminals fear it. We have neither in this country thus criminals are willing to play the odds.
The Liberal Mind vs Facts Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 2:26 PM
"But, of the 15 states without the death penalty, only two, New Mexico and Michigan, have a higher murder rate than Texas." Factually true but not accurate in comparison.

Those rates are based on murders per 100K population. They do not take into account causation and correlation factors that affect violent crime rates. Someplace like Vermont cannot possibly correlate to Texas unless you filter demographics and other causations from the data and so on.

The death penalty or lack of has little to do with causation.
Jay Wye Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 2:28 PM
Texas is also experiencing serious levels of illegals invading.
lawless illegals,felons,all.(it's a felony to enter the US illegally)
The Liberal Mind vs Facts Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 2:35 PM
Eric, " murder is usually a one-time crime of passion (often aided by alcohol). There is no evidence that the death penalty deters such crime."

Per the Bureau of justice:
Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.

So following your death penalty = no deterrent logic that would mean there would be 1.9% less murderers committing murder had they been executed or incarcerated for life w/o parole after their first murder.
Duke Nuk'em Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 2:51 PM
Nice strawmen. Too bad it absolutely disregards population density.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:15 PM
Troll spew warning,
look at LosAngeles, Chicago, Detroit, New York. I would bet that Texas has a MUCH lower rate of murder despite your claims.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:18 PM
If they didn't stretch out the execution for 20 or 30 years, the death penalty would be very effective. Once dead you neer have to worry about the ahole commiting another. Also the liberal idiots like you are in the habit of DROPPING the gun charges during a trial thus allowing the thugs to get out of jail much sooner.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:18 PM
More nonsense from a liberal idiot.
Colonialgirl Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 3:19 PM
I don't think ericywnot is capable of "thinking"; Like most trolls all it has is a Knee-Jerk reaction.
Dollysboy Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 4:10 PM
Now there is a great idea. Since we don't want our elected officials stealing us blind, we should execute the buggers right after they are sworn in. That way in a few years we would never have to worry about some politicians ripping us off. Hooray for Reason!!!
Reginald10 Wrote: Dec 05, 2012 4:50 PM
You don't think the high traffic of drug runners has something to do with it?

Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas went on his halftime anti-gun rant on Sunday using words written by Fox Sports Columnist Jason Whitlock, we’ve heard a lot from the media and from uniformed commentators about America’s “gun culture.” The fact is, America actually has two gun cultures and it is important to distinguish them from one another.  

The first gun culture is deeply seated in American history and her founding. Founding Fathers like George Washington understood that an armed citizenry would prevent government tyranny, which is why we have the Second Amendment. This is a concept rapper...