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Gay Marriage Issue Actually Helps GOP

Mary973 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 11:55 PM
Agree, except those who oppose are not bigots.
Dreadnaught011 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 1:10 PM

Gay rights is, first of all, a misnomer. Gay is a word for happy; joyful, jovial. Not perverse, wanton and fixated on vice.

Call it if you wish "personal rights." and it's more a propos of homosexual needs. Here's the problem, for you:

Homosexuals are a minority. The fact that today liberals support the absurd position of legal depravity doesn't make it a vital issue. And you'll soon find even leftists tired of wasting their energy on such dubious political causes. You are by and large an unimportant minority, and always shall be.

Origanalist Again Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 8:37 AM
mshapiro you are correct, the right to life is the most basic right of all.
mshapiro Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 7:51 AM
I disagree about abortion. It IS a civil rights issue. If the child is human than it is being denied it's civils rights by the acts of it's mother and society is condoning it. And scientifically by the time you know you are pregnant the child is an individual life with it's own blood supply, sustained by it's own organs. Yes it still lives in symbiosis with the mother but it is an individual life objectively. Democrats keep moving the goal post. First it was this isn't a life. Now it's well is it a Human Being or no more valuable than a cockroach. Teach accountability to teens and not abortion as a get out of life free card.
Mary973 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 1:07 AM
Gay rights are a civil rights issue, I agree. However, abortion is not a civil rights issue but a choice, where conscience decides the vote, not bigotry.
cammmmm Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:31 AM
well i grew up catholic, baptised, confirmation, etc. while voting your conscience is fine civil rights are black and white, u cant be more or less equal...its equal or not....that being said. i think education is the key ...many good people grew up in traditional conservative, religious families...my mum one example..its hard to overcome your upbringing. but the fact is this is a civil right not a conscience vote.
Mary973 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:13 AM
Some who disagree do so because of religious reasons, you may think them bigots but only because you do not ascribe to their religious tenets. The Catholic Church will never condone abortion, and there are some voters that will never vote for a pro choice candidate. Accept those voters, not as bigots, but as people who vote their conscience, as I am sure you do as well.
cammmmm Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 12:06 AM
sorry but you are wrong...civil rights are civil rights
Conventional wisdom argues that opposition to gay marriage hurt Republicans in the recent election cycle, but nothing in the numbers suggests that this is true.
 
In the four liberal states where advocates for same-sex marriage won their victories, the redefinition of marriage proved much less popular than Barack Obama. In Maryland, for instance, Obama cruised to victory with 62 percent of the vote, but same-sex marriage squeaked by with just 52 percent. In other words, more than one out of six of Obama supporters voted with Republicans, not their fellow Democrats, against same sex marriage.
 
In Maryland, Maine, Washington...