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The Education Blob

mark4teach Wrote: Jul 04, 2012 11:17 AM
What do you do with the kids who refuse to do their homework? Or when parents decide to take their failing child out during the school year so they can take two vacation. Do not put all the blame on the public school teacher. Yes, there are bad public school teachers, just as there are bad doctors, lawyers, etc. Teachers are paid for 180 days, they do not get paid vacations. Money from there paycheck is taken out to over the 180 days.
Pat1392 Wrote: Jul 04, 2012 4:20 PM
That is a very valid point ----the kids don't have any skin in the game. Give a national test for reading and math and report the results as a grade level score--if the kid does not score in the grade -he does not get promoted.
Pat1392 Wrote: Jul 04, 2012 4:17 PM
Please read the above ---as a middle school teacherIi was able to take a select group of students to 12th grade level as a group ---many of the individuals scored 12+
These were hard working inner city kids that had a desire to do more than flip burgers. I could pretty much run my own curriculum. Today's teachers might have some input into the color of the bulletin board paper (and pay for it too) but that is about it. Administrators, many of who have not been in a classroom in years, turn a deaf ear on the suggestions of the teachers.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 04, 2012 12:46 PM
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day to get through to these kids and their parents (sometimes multiple sets of parents). Further, this cop out of "burn out" doesn't fly in the private sector, but somehow, we are supposed to excuse that in teachers. A huge symptom of the education problem is that we have come to expect so little of the teachers.
DinCO Wrote: Jul 04, 2012 12:45 PM
Mark, that is a cop out. Yes, there are kids (and parents) that do not put in the effort required. Yes, teachers work 180 days and get paid, generally over 12 months, for 180 days. However, teachers chose this profession knowing that there will be a fair amount of kids (and parents) that don't care and that their pay will be for 180 days. In the profession that I chose, I must make sales to get paid. I CHOSE this profession knowing that not only will I not get paid if I make no sales, but that I will deal with people that will lie, lead me on and generally waste my time. Is that an excuse for not making any sales? No, just like the excuses above do not stop my wife, who is an excellent Kindergarten teacher, from working hard every
Since progressives want government to run health care, let's look at what government management did to K-12 education. While most every other service in life has gotten better and cheaper, American education remains stagnant.

Spending has tripled! Why no improvement? Because K-12 education is a virtual government monopoly -- and monopolies don't improve.

In every other sector of the economy, market competition forces providers to improve constantly. It's why most things get better -- often cheaper, too (except when government interferes, as in health care).

Politicians claim that education and health care are different -- too important to leave to market...