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Look, Darby does not speak for me, and I didn't say everyone who opposes SSM never gets carried away in what they say. The thing is, in places like the UK and France where SSM is the law of the land, many of the assurances that people were given about protection of their religious freedoms have turned out to be lies. This is because LGBT activist don't just see disagreement with SSM as wrong; they see it as offensive and hateful and believe that religious freedoms are not worthy of respect. Since the passage of SSM in the UK, the government has been saying that British values do not include 'extremism.' Well, guess what viewpoints are deemed to be 'extremist.' So can you see why some people would be Leary of the idea of SSM becoming the law of the land? Also I did not say that gays have not suffered persecution, and I in no way condone that, but you are being disenguous if you claim that in this year of 2015 homosexuals are subject the same hardships that experienced years ago. So do you agree with what happened end to the former CEO of Mozilla Firefox, Brendan Eich? Do you think it was morally right that a man should be made to resign from his job merely for having expressed support for prop 8 in California? Do you think that demonstrates real tolerance? Or is in its own way a form of viewpoint discrimination where a man suffered real consequences because of political correctness run amok.
Meant to say ' I do not agree that for anyone marriage is a right'
I expect civil discourse that does not denigrate those that disagree with SSM. It's so easy to label those that disagree with you as bigots and as haters, and to seek to publicly shame those who believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't know what civil rights you are referring to but I do agree that for anyone is a 'right'. LGBT activist believe that sexual right should always trump rights related to religious expression. That is a true extremist position. I think you would be hard pressed to cite examples of persecution of LGBT in contemporary American culture. The turning point was the redefinition of marriage. Even many gays in England and. France where SSM has been made law. Admit that the redefinition of marriage went to far and was unnecessary and was disrespectful of the rest of the populace.
Another Obama lie. Isn't it telling that the only way to advance a ' progressive agenda' is by telling so many falsehoods.
Actually I have seen and heard more vitriol from LGBT activist then by anyone who disagrees with SSM. Like all "progressives' you assume that someone disagreeing with SSM can only be motivated to do so based on Animus. 'Progressives' can't fathom that some disagree with SSM because of deep seated convictions about what is morally right and wrong, and it has nothing to with hatred of homosexuals. Of course it's convenient to assume this because it means LGBT activist don't have to try and understand where others are coming from; it's easier to condescend to them and to try and silence their voice in the public square. This is a petulant and immature way of dealing with a very divisive issue.
There is more to life than economics
No, but Christians should also be free to live out their faith convictions without the government causing them to self-censor themselves or inhibit expression of their beliefs because those belief are deemed unacceptable to the culture at large. Your statement that "we don't live in a theocracy" is a red herring as no one is advocating such.
Exactly. Getting elected through deception is bad enough, but now all the damage he doing once in. A someone said on another board, he is truly a soulless politician who is committed to his ideology above all else.
No, it was not a lesson in true tolerance, which would have entailed allowing people the freedom to disagree with LGBT without then being denigrated and demeaned for their beliefs. It was a lesson in thought control and conformity with no dissension allowed from leftist views without the penalty of ridicule. your statement is ignorant or naive at best or intentionally disingenuous at worst.
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